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Topic Title: Planning on buying 125W 9950 BE; will there be a faster processor than 2.6ghz anytime soon?
Topic Summary: I might delay my purchase for a 2.8ghz quad-core if it is on the market in the next 3 months.
Created On: 11/04/2008 04:41 AM
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 11/04/2008 04:41 AM
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I'm about to make a purchase for a 125W 9950 BE; but I had to ask, will there be a quad-core with 2.8ghz or even 3.0ghz sometime in the near future? If so, I might delay my purchase for another 3 months for a faster frequency than 2.6ghz...
 11/04/2008 06:32 AM
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If you have an AM2+ mobo, then early Jan is your time with 2.8 & 3.0 Deneb CPU's wich are better than current Phenoms in clock + heat + power + clock2clock performance ( eg a 2.8 Deneb is faster than 2.8 current Phenom )
 11/04/2008 07:15 AM
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Xajel,they make a 2.8 phenom?
i thought the 2.6 9950 was the highest phenom.
do you have the info on it, or a link?

anyway as Xajel said, if you have a am2+ MB hold off until the first of the year and get a deneb




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 11/04/2008 07:39 AM
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nope they don't have sorry for that as I meant an overclocked Phenom to 2.8 as the first patch of Deneb will not include a clock match with Phenom so we have to overclock Phenom for it..
 11/04/2008 07:46 AM
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ok,just checking.


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 11/05/2008 08:05 PM
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Core 2 still pwns all of AMD's offerings. If you have the money...i suggest you get a new mobo and a Q6600. The Core 2 Quad Q6600 at stock speeds would be about as fast, if not faster than that 9950BE overclocked to 3.0ghz. Even if AMD's upcoming 45nm chips pwn Core 2 Quad....they still don't stand a chance; Nehalem is going to eat Phenom and Opteron alive.

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 11/05/2008 08:21 PM
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Just curious, how can you compare Nehalem and Daneb ?

Anyway, seems like 2.8 and 3 GHz CPUs are getting released this month. I aloso found some info here

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 11/05/2008 09:24 PM
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Core 2 still pwns all of AMD's offerings. If you have the money...i suggest you get a new mobo and a Q6600. The Core 2 Quad Q6600 at stock speeds would be about as fast, if not faster than that 9950BE overclocked to 3.0ghz. Even if AMD's upcoming 45nm chips pwn Core 2 Quad....they still don't stand a chance; Nehalem is going to eat Phenom and Opteron alive.


What? No. A Q6600 will be faster than the 9950BE in some benchmarks when they are both stock (Q6600 at 2.4Ghz and 9950BE at 2.6Ghz), but when comparing a 9950BE at 3.0Ghz vs. a Q6600 at 2.4Ghz the Phenom will definately win.

But the Q6600 has a lower power consumption, and higher overclockability making it a more compelling product.
 11/05/2008 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by: Athlonuser

Core 2 still pwns all of AMD's offerings. If you have the money...i suggest you get a new mobo and a Q6600. The Core 2 Quad Q6600 at stock speeds would be about as fast, if not faster than that 9950BE overclocked to 3.0ghz. Even if AMD's upcoming 45nm chips pwn Core 2 Quad....they still don't stand a chance; Nehalem is going to eat Phenom and Opteron alive.


great! so why dont you just buzz off to Anandtech or any other intel worship forum?
 11/05/2008 09:54 PM
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I think AMD will price them competitively again. AM2+ mobos and chipsets are getting much better and definitely rival Intel's best with features. Nehalem will be grossly expensive to pursue. Triple-channel DDR3 kits, though cheaper are still pretty expensive. The motherboards will be pricey too along with the CPUs. AMD will still do alright against nehalem.

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 11/06/2008 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by: Orn

Originally posted by: Athlonuser



Core 2 still pwns all of AMD's offerings. If you have the money...i suggest you get a new mobo and a Q6600. The Core 2 Quad Q6600 at stock speeds would be about as fast, if not faster than that 9950BE overclocked to 3.0ghz. Even if AMD's upcoming 45nm chips pwn Core 2 Quad....they still don't stand a chance; Nehalem is going to eat Phenom and Opteron alive.




great! so why dont you just buzz off to Anandtech or any other intel worship forum?



um...thats nice?


EDIT: I've lost faith in AMD's garbage CPUs. As a GPU manufacturer they're somewhat competitive. AMD needs to give up CPUs though. I just ordered one of these paired up with dual EVGA 8800GTS cards. My friends got a similar setup OCed to 3.8ghz...its pwnage. BTW I've seen Nehalem. AMD doesn't know whats coming.

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Edited: 11/06/2008 at 03:53 PM by Athlonuser
 11/06/2008 06:41 PM
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I don't understand what you are talking about.

K-10 is very decent machine. And Nehalem tests are expected- not much higher than existing C2D and sometimes even slower.
A few cases where it performs significantly better were optimised for it.
Its main edvantage is memory controller, not architecture.
 11/06/2008 06:44 PM
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As I understood it Nehalem is more of a server chip so supposedly it should be compared to the Opterons rather than Phenoms.

But I might have gotten that bit wrong.

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 11/06/2008 07:45 PM
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Athlonuser,first off YOUR MOM BUYS INTEL.

then agian WFC

ya lets all buy intel, then we all pay out the @$$ for any old POS they want to sell your DUMB @$$, you need to thank us AMD buyers,so you and YOUR MOM can
can have a choice.


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 11/06/2008 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by: Athlonuser
um...thats nice?





EDIT: I've lost faith in AMD's garbage CPUs. As a GPU manufacturer they're somewhat competitive. AMD needs to give up CPUs though. I just ordered one of these paired up with dual EVGA 8800GTS cards. My friends got a similar setup OCed to 3.8ghz...its pwnage. BTW I've seen Nehalem. AMD doesn't know whats coming.



haha! typical noob, the only reason that the q9550 is at $315 is because of AMD's comeptitive Pricing,but then again this kid is just another Intel worshipper, do yourself a favor and just join another Intel worship forum,we dont need junk posts like that, we have Trick for that and one is too many
 11/06/2008 10:53 PM
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Nah, we always need a "devils advocate" to challenge our views lest we fall into our own delusions.

Imo AMD CPU's are still good CPUs. But just like brightness, a brighter lamp always makes the less bright one look dim, although it may be very bright already.

In the mean time now's a great time to sit, wait and watch...
 11/07/2008 08:45 AM
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i said it once or twice and ill say it again, we do not know what amd has in the wings, and waiting for us. with all the reorganization they have done, and the beating they have taking, in the last couple of years i believe amd will give us something good soon. I have faith in AMD.

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 11/07/2008 12:54 PM
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Historically, AMD has given it's best to us after having it's back in a corner. I mean, they get this investment and instant cash pretty much and get saved. Now, I'm sure someone would have done the same to Intel, but I think AMD showed them plans for the future, some ideas and they sodl them on it. I guess benchtesting will become more apples to apples, though still red apples versus green apples. I'm really interested in AMD's 800 series chipsets though, but logically I should hold out for G34 socket for future upgradeability.

Found some more info on Core i7 and they will have massive requirements. All three soon to be released models will have Intel's 130 watt TDP. Just to give you an idea of the power requirements Here's waht Intel states:

The PSU must have two (2) 12 V rails.
The PSU must be capable of a continuous current flow of 16 A at 12 V.
The PSU must be capable of a peak current flowof 19 A on the second 12 V rail.
The 5 V rails are of no importance, only the 12 V rails. Intel recommends a minimum PSU power output of 450 W.


That's quite a big change in power requirements, especialyl considering their server model, which is why those will probably come out later after they have improved on the thermals. I can see why Intel has been focusing on the hyper threading, becasue AMD is releasing fairly fast 65 watt 45nm Opterons. We all know AMD's TDP means maximum theoretical power draw, while Intel's is a maximum consumed average. Also curious to why Intel would implement a Turbo boost function when only one or two threads are active, on these top slated processors. It would make more sense on a lower TDP slower binned CPU.

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Edited: 11/07/2008 at 11:28 PM by PorscheRacer14
 11/09/2008 01:30 PM
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chillax...i like messing around like that sometimes...beats being bored as h3ll...

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 11/10/2008 11:41 AM
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I know the AMD case is becoming worse, Phenom can't even compete with C2Q and Intel is preparing Ci7 too very soon, and even Deneb wich is better that the original Phenom, but I don't think it will compete well against Ci7, both Deneb and Nehalem are stated to offer upto 20 and 30% performance increase over the previews arch. so if these are correct numbers in average, the gap between Core i7 and Deneb will be larger than the gap between Phenom and C2Q...

I know AMD can't do a thing to make Deneb better now as it's already in it's way, but they really should make things faster with Bulldozer, 2010/2011 is too long from now and AMD will find it hard to fight in 2009... unless they got some insane clocks within thier TDP limit but this is hard to reach too specially when Intel are using 3.2GHz Ci7 at launch, Deneb must be at least 3.4 - 3.6 to fight against a 3.2GHz Ci7 !!
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