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Created On: 02/24/2009 04:50 PM
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 07/18/2009 09:08 PM
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DigitalEternal
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Thats a good point PorcheRacer14, Im a bit of an audiophile though I cant really afford a top end soundcar but I did notice a big difference when I first got the audigy over the onboard, this motherboard has a old realtek chipset, I havent really sperienced the newer ones that todays motherboards come with so I didnt know if they have been improved to the point that their superior to an older card like an audigy or not, but from what your saying I think ill be keeping the audigy.

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 07/18/2009 11:28 PM
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I have an old Pentium 4 with an Audigy 2ZS Platinum in it. I gave it to my parents when I built this one I have now. It now sits beside their newer Phenom tri-core 780G system. I've tested both with my Altec Lansing 4.1 surround sound system, and the Audigy still sounds better. In stereo mode, they seem to be the same, but above that the difference is quite a bit. Especially using CMSS-3D for music files. Once you start listening to music in surround sound, or anything else, going back to stereo is hard.

The other noticeable improvement is headphone surround sound when gaming. It does make a difference in FPS games. If you ever do get a model with the bay, well the I/O options are better. Depending on your card, there is also gameport support if you still have a legacy joystick. Windows 7 still has gameport support, though Asus is going to have to bring out some newer drivers for it to work from my motherboard.

Basically, in short, if you have good speakers, especially something higher than 2.1 then your Audigy will sound superior. I did use the onboard audio on my motherboard with my 7.1 setup and it did work fine. But the one thing I did notice is some feedback problems at higher volumes, especially when gaming. Obviously, that's probably due to electrical interferance since the chip is on the motherboard. My parents system doesn't seem to suffer from that, but they are only running in stereo mode. I have come across a few games that I had to mess around with to get the sound to work properly, such as CoD4.

If you're into high-fidelity, the realtek chip does not produce true 192KHz sampling. This is done by software emulation or doubling up 96KHz, in stereo only. Your Audigy will do true 192KHz sampling and I believe up to 4 channels, or at least stereo anyways. It's been a while since I looked at those specs, way back when I built this thing, but then I read about X-Fi and waited that to come out instead.

You can test that out by playing back an Audio DVD and switching sampling rates within windows on your Realtek chip. When you select 192KHz, watch your CPU usage massively spike.

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 07/19/2009 10:05 AM
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Thanks for all the info PorscheRacer, If the realtek onboard audio really hasnt improved that much as you say then I will definetly use my audigy, it only has support 192 over 2 chanells and 96 over 7.1 but using foobar and its chanell mizer plugin I can get music to sound great over my 6.1 using all speakers, plus i can always upsample it to 192.

Do you know how good the audigy cards work on 64bit os? I plan to use windows 7 64, while creative seems to have released drivers to support windows 7 im not sure how well they work (we all know creative's driver quality)

Edit: hmm..well it seems that the drivers dont support 6.1 speaker configurations in wondows 7 or vista, and gameport isnt support in 64 bit os's, thats a bit of a bummer and I have a 6.1 system and am quite fond of it.

Can you recomend some good inexpensive cards? Its been so long since ive been card shopping.

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Edited: 07/19/2009 at 10:21 AM by DigitalEternal
 07/19/2009 04:27 PM
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Creative must have heard your complaint...

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Creative Sound Blaster Audigy series driver 2.18.0011
Filesize : 37.62 MB
Release date : 13 Jul 09
This download is a driver providing Microsoft® Windows® 7, Windows Vista® and Windows XP support for Creative Sound Blaster® Audigy® series of audio devices. For more details, read the rest of this web release note.


This was the 64-bit driver I looked up.

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 07/19/2009 08:52 PM
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I think thats the same one I found, unfortunetly in the details it says that it doesnt support 6.1 in vista or 7, which sicks since I have no intention of replacing my 6.1 system, maybe there is a workaround.

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 07/19/2009 09:08 PM
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That's because Microsft went with OpenAL audio. There's no 6.1 support with my X-fi, or any sound card in Vista or 7. You should be able to use CMSS-3D upconvert 5.1 to 6.1 to use all your speakers. That's what I do when watching Dolby 5.1 and playing games. This is one case where open source isn't always better, but it is what it is now.

As it stands now with 7, I've been mixing applications and drivers from Vista and 7 to make everything work. Both sets are pretty much the same, though right now all X-Fi drivers and applications have full Windows 7 support. I'm sure the Audigy series will come around as a lot of users are coming from XP to 7, or at least that's the plan. If not, just use the 64-bit Vista software from Creative and you should be fine. You might have to install under compatability mode to make it work, but I can't confirm as I'm not intending to put 7 on my old system.

I did update my Audigy drivers a week ago, and it did say it has Vista support for the apllications and drivers, so you should be good to go anyways ATM if youwant to try out Windows 7 RC. They're definitely making strides with this new OS compared to Vista which took them over a year, almost 2 to get full hardware and software functionality like it was in Windows XP. Again, the main problem being that Microsoft went with OpenAL for audio rendering instead of the tradtional DirectX Audio path we've been used to for a while now.

The only real modern system from Microsoft using DirectX Audio now is the XBox.

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 07/19/2009 09:36 PM
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Good to know, if I can keep this sound card that will definetly save me a few bucks that can be better spent on something else.

As you said there's not alot of difference between w7 and vista drivers, I think most of them are almost the same which would explain why their doing so well releasing windows 7 drivers, theyve already worked out all the bugs with vista.

Well hopefully in a week I can start buying components and hunting down the best prices, its going to be a combination of online an local purchases, some things i can find online for a bit less and some thing i want a reliable warrenty on which doesnt involve me mailing things back so ill spend the extra couple bucks and buy it in store.

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HDD: WD Caviar Black 500gb x2
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 08/13/2009 06:31 PM
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Etymotic Research earphones =) Good stuff!

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 09/16/2009 06:03 PM
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Klipsch ProMedia GNX D-5.1
Creative X-FI Platinum(old one)

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Me thinks this thread is dead!!

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Edited: 10/28/2009 at 11:10 AM by Canis-X
 10/27/2009 09:03 PM
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komputer hooked up to 10,000 watt home theater.. MWAHAHAHAHAHHA


























































i wish -_-

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 12/07/2009 05:32 AM
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i have
amd athlon 64-4800+
asus M2NE-SLI
2gb ram-800ghz
leadtec 256mb-6600le sli grafic card


but i want to update my prosseser

so, please suggest me

what prosseser for my mother board..\




thnx
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