 09/01/2009 07:03 PM
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PorscheRacer14 Ardrid Returned
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We were all probably wondering when it would happen, but it looks like in Q3 of 2010 6-cores will start to hit the desktop side of AMD's CPUs. If the clock speeds can stay in that 2.8GHz+ range, it might be a very worthy CPU. Then again, for mega-tasking and workstations this could also prove very well.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/c...Desktop_Processor.html
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 09/01/2009 07:48 PM
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SH Overclocker
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I don't know why AMD doesn't release Phenom II X6 earlier. Istambul server Operons X6 were lanuched in May (I think), it wouldn't be much of a problem it they just added the DDR3 controller and repackaged some of them for socket AM3, but well...
Most important, Core i5 will be released next week, and Core i9 (hexa-core, 12 thread, nehalem, 32nm) is due in Q1 2010.
Seriously, AMD needs Thuban by Q4 2009 to remain competitive, and maybe a 32nm Octo-core by Q3 2010.
I just hope clock speeds reach 3.0 GHz (even if it means 140w)...
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09/01/2009 10:05 PM
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batuchka Case Modder
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Well looking at i5 and before that i7 for someone with modest/humble needs one could just run a Regor/Callisto/Heka on a $50ish AM2+ mobo and 2GB ddr2 RAMs. Such an option is not possible for i5/i7 and the mid-low end is where normal joes are at though i admit the high end stuff makes us all go ooooh hehe I for one am more than content with my Heka 710 and do a dance of joy when i see what the numbers the receipt are reporting for my snappy/fast 'fatcat' rig hehe
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09/01/2009 10:22 PM
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SH Overclocker
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Well, I must confess I'm running an Athlon X2 5200+ @ 2.7 GHz (due to heat issues, I know it can well go up to 3.2 with little extra volts), and I may be considering a Phenom II in some time (too bad my f****** mobo didn't get a BIOS update for PII). But well, it'd be nice for AMD to be able to have something better than i7 NOW.
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09/01/2009 10:29 PM
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PC-GURU - Lurker
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Originally posted by: SH
Well, I must confess I'm running an Athlon X2 5200+ @ 2.7 GHz (due to heat issues, I know it can well go up to 3.2 with little extra volts), and I may be considering a Phenom II in some time (too bad my f****** mobo didn't get a BIOS update for PII). But well, it'd be nice for AMD to be able to have something better than i7 NOW.
Didn't quite follow you there. Where you comparing your 5200+ To A PHENOM II ?
As it stands in most cases the Phenom II line keeps up with I7 just fine.
Clock for clock it matches the I7 in games.
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09/02/2009 12:38 AM
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Decembermouse Mad Scientist
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Originally posted by: PC-GURU -
Clock for clock it matches the I7 in games.
Again dude can you give us a linky? I feel like i7 is generally faster clock-for-clock even in apps where hyperthreading doesn't matter... at least from what I've seen.
I have seen that the PII's scale better as resolution goes up. The i7 machines lose way more FPS when increasing resolution than do the PII machines, but I think in general still outperform when comparing a 3.0GHz i7 with a 3.0GHz PII...
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09/02/2009 12:51 AM
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PC-GURU - Lurker
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Originally posted by: Decembermouse
Originally posted by: PC-GURU -
Clock for clock it matches the I7 in games.
Again dude can you give us a linky? I feel like i7 is generally faster clock-for-clock even in apps where hyperthreading doesn't matter... at least from what I've seen.
I have seen that the PII's scale better as resolution goes up. The i7 machines lose way more FPS when increasing resolution than do the PII machines, but I think in general still outperform when comparing a 3.0GHz i7 with a 3.0GHz PII...
click here
Every last game they threw at it, there so close its not even funny.
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09/02/2009 02:04 AM
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Overmind Assimilator
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Looks like i7 is cost-inefficient.
If they reduce the price to the Ph2 price range things would change.
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09/02/2009 03:26 AM
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Edgemeal Overclocker
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i7 might not look so great in games for the price but what about all the other things people do, theres more to a PC then just playing games!
I would love to have an i7, but I'm not going to pay for one lol!
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09/02/2009 04:03 AM
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Overmind Assimilator
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As the article said, most of the tasks can be done with any CPU just as efficiently.
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09/02/2009 11:24 AM
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Yeah... Microsoft Powerpoint, Google Chrome, AIM 6.5, Windows Media Player, and Microsoft Office can only open up so fast. Now if you want to run a spyware scan while having all of these open, and decide to play a game, then the 6 core processor would ease things up a bit.
I don't think theres been a strong demand for 6-Core systems for desktop users which is why AMD didn't devote so much R&D to bringing it out sooner... I mean we still are kind of in a recession. I'd prefer a cooler running Quad Core.
The Phenom II's more than hold their own. Plus our motherboards aren't as expensive (Don't know if the i7 boards lowered in price much but AM3 boards can be had for relatively cheap).
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09/02/2009 04:41 PM
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SH Overclocker
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Didn't quite follow you there. Where you comparing your 5200+ To A PHENOM II ?
No, I was saying I MIGHT UPGRADE to a Phenom II sometime.
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09/02/2009 04:49 PM
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PC-GURU - Lurker
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loss in translation lol sorry.
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09/02/2009 05:19 PM
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DigitalEternal Master of Disaster
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Oo their gonna be AM3, sweet.
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09/02/2009 10:08 PM
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Moomanerism2 Stanley Hudson
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Originally posted by: DigitalEternal
Oo their gonna be AM3, sweet.
Lol I'd hope so! No sense in releasing them on AM2 or AM2+... unless you said that in relation to the impending release of C32/G34.
SH,
We all should have seen this comming. Server-side leads the way and mainstream comes later. There is, however, a lot of work that goes into "just slapping two more cores on a quad core". I don't like just a dual-channel memory controller, but that might be some power-saving at work to get under the 140W TDP constraint. These things should be moderately reasonable in price but also put a crunch on quad-cores. I got my 550 PII for $99 about a month ago and my 5000+BE for $82 about a year ago. Hopefully next summer I can pick up a nice High-K 45nm quad for under $100!
I still don't see enough software availible with multi-threading to justify getting anything more than a dual core right now, but it's always changing. I WANT MY CPUID TO RUN ON ALL 4 CORES! haha.. yeah
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09/03/2009 08:15 AM
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batuchka Case Modder
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I am kindda excited about the new chipsets incoming 2010 hehe
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09/03/2009 08:48 AM
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PorscheRacer14 Ardrid Returned
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AMD's server chipsets are probably the most dramatic change in performance and features anyone's going to see for quite a while. The desktop side gets refined more and on a smaller process mode, yes, though.... the chipsets look great this time around.
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09/03/2009 09:07 AM
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Orn Titanic Jelly Hammer
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sweet'aaaaaaa and I'll be in the US in 2010 so WOOOHOOOO, damm gotta get that GTS250
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09/03/2009 02:29 PM
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DigitalEternal Master of Disaster
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Originally posted by: Moomanerism2
Originally posted by: DigitalEternal
Oo their gonna be AM3, sweet.
Lol I'd hope so! No sense in releasing them on AM2 or AM2+... unless you said that in relation to the impending release of C32/G34.
SH,
We all should have seen this comming. Server-side leads the way and mainstream comes later. There is, however, a lot of work that goes into "just slapping two more cores on a quad core". I don't like just a dual-channel memory controller, but that might be some power-saving at work to get under the 140W TDP constraint. These things should be moderately reasonable in price but also put a crunch on quad-cores. I got my 550 PII for $99 about a month ago and my 5000+BE for $82 about a year ago. Hopefully next summer I can pick up a nice High-K 45nm quad for under $100!
I still don't see enough software availible with multi-threading to justify getting anything more than a dual core right now, but it's always changing. I WANT MY CPUID TO RUN ON ALL 4 CORES! haha.. yeah
lol no what I ment wans Im glad their not brining it out on a new socket all together, like AM3+ or AM4 or something.
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09/03/2009 07:57 PM
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batuchka Case Modder
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IIRC new socket would be in place with the release of Bulldozer
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