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 07/08/2004 02:11 PM
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hey, this sounds like a nice monitor, but im not sure as its only 211...
ive been looking for a good monitor to go with my video card.


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flat screen.... max res 2048 x 1536 @ 68hz. i really dont know a whole lot about
monitors, so i wanted to see what you guys thought about this thing.
 07/08/2004 05:56 PM
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What's the refresh rate at a sensible res like 1280 X 1024?

Looks very good for the money, btw. I don't know a great deal about monitors either though.
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It's actually a decent monitor, yeah. At 1280x1024 it can push a little over 100Hz.

But remember, 1280x1024 isn't a sensible res for the vast majority of CRTs-- 1280x960 is! Mmm, 4:3.

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You're probably right, I might try that resolution on mine.

EDIT: Yep, that seems pretty good, plus I have a better refresh rate. What size screen you using, SDA?

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Viewsonic is the best but i would go with a A90F+ best gammign monitor around IMO i have one and its fantastic.

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I love Viewsonics. I'm going to look into another new CRT - I don't trust LCD's yet and they're so darn expensive.

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 07/08/2004 09:27 PM
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I wouldn't go for the A90F+, as it is inferior to the P95F+ across the board. No offense meant or anything, but you might want to check out the Viewsonic CRT nomenclature before you say something like that.

I'm typing this on a P95F+B right now, actually. I try to be impartial about stuff I own, so I might be of some help.


+ UltraBrite. It's a setting controlled by a single button that's really handy if you don't want to bother turning up the gamma in games; you just hit it once and you go into "UltraBrite 3x" mode, which is basically just brighter than normal and designed for games and movies.

+ Looks fantastic for 3D, as most high-end CRTs do.

+ Detachable VGA cable, so you can put your own in if you have one. If you consider this a plus, you know why it is; if you don't know why, you wouldn't care.

+ Aperture grille. Better, flatter picture than shadow mask, and they don't just slowly die.


- As with most aperture grille monitors, the dot pitch is higher at the center than at the edges. At .25mm to .27mm, it's also not the lowest of dot pitches; text clarity is fine, but it could definitely be better.

- The aperture grille lines. I, uh, haven't actually heard of them bothering anyone, since the things are so faint and only show up on white or light gray, but it's best to be prepared, yeah? I thought they'd piss me off, but they don't.

- Weight, obviously. The thing's almost sixty pounds. I'm in good enough shape that I can move it around when I need to (and I had to carry it up two flights of stairs to get it here, fun!, but it's a heavy sucker, and it sure doesn't help that (like most CRTs) it's a really awkward shape to carry around.


TEXT: Acceptable, crystal clear at 1280x960 but not at 1600x1200.
GRAPHICS: Great. It's an aperture grille CRT, what'd you expect? People buy these big heavy things for a reason.
LOOKS: Square-y. Depending on your tastes, it either looks professional or boxy.
CONTROLS: Good enough. Certainly quite extensive, but the interface isn't too intuitive.
DEGAUSS: Satisfying, but could be better. Average swirliness and average noise. Also, it takes more effort to degauss than with some monitors; you have to open up config, scroll down, then degauss.
WEIGHT: Excessive.


Overall, I'd say I like it, but it's not perfect. It can easily compare to other aperture-grille 19"ers, but it isn't the best of the bunch... that award COULD go to the good old 930SB, but I've never used one of those (and I won't, if I exchange this one-- as I no doubt will eventually, as with the exception of my old NEC I've never kept a monitor for more than nine months-- I'm getting an IBM P275).

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 07/08/2004 09:30 PM
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Alright SDA, I'm typing this on a Viewsonic E70f. What differences would I notice?

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 07/08/2004 09:42 PM
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Uh, it's bigger, for one. 9 for 19". This also means it's a lot heavier. I was used to hauling 17"ers around when I got this one, and it's a real step up in weight. You could probably kill someone by dropping it on them. I hear you can destroy small countries with their 21" line, though.

But I digress. You'll be able to jack the res up a lot higher; the P95F+ can go all the way up to 1920x1440 while keeping the refresh above 72Hz, although I personally think you'd be insane to do that on a 19"er. You'll also notice aperture grille lines, since the E70F is a shadow mask unit. Power regulation on the P95F+ is also better (you ever seen the screen edges change a little when the image on the screen gets a lot brighter or darker? Better power regulation means that size change is a lot smaller). Clarity is improved slightly at low-brightness settings and significantly at high-brightness settings, and contrast is a little better too. Geometry should be better overall, and color reproduction would go from really good to really really good.

You also get the little UltraBrite button. I don't think the E70f has that, but I could be wrong.

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thx for all the replies. i guess that for gaming and only 245 (with shipping), its just
what im looking for.

QUOTE ("SDA")I hear you can destroy small countries with their 21" line, though.

LOL
 07/08/2004 09:56 PM
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So, SDA, what 19" monitor would you recommend as a great buy?
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I haven't really used enough 19" CRTs to say what's best (to be exact, I've used four, and only three for any real length of time; P95F+, old-model SyncMaster 955DF, an old Iiyama Vision Master Pro 4-something, and for a short time an FE991-SB), but I've heard that the NEC/Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 930SB is the best 19" out there from quite a few people (again, never used it, sorry). At a lower price, the 955DF is a good solid CRT.. can't compete with high-end aperture grille stuff, but it doesn't cost as much, either.

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Thanks, I will consider the ones you mentioned. I was gonna get the Diamond Pro SB anyway, I always loved the black Mitsubishi monitors and my widescreen TV is Mitsub too, so it'll match nicely if I buy it.

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Interesting. No, I don't have the UltraBrite button... nor am I sure what an Apeture Grille line is and how that's different from my Shadow Mask?

Is it worth it to get a 90f recertified monitor with 1 year warranty for $159?

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What model is that one? There are a lot of Viewsonics that end in 90f, after all...

From Wikipedia: "Fine vertical wires behind the front glass of the display screen separate the different colors of phosphors into strips. Depending on the size of the display, one or two horizontal stabilizing wires are also used, and may be visible as fine lines across the face of the screen, providing the easiest way to distinguish aperture grille and shadow mask displays at a glance. Additionally, aperture grille displays tend to be vertically flat and are often horizontally flat as well, while shadow mask displays usually have a spherical curvature."

The end result is that aperture grille monitors look better and last longer, but they have two extremely faint gray lines on the screen. Test one out beforehand to see if they annoy you... like I said, never seen anyone that was annoyed by them before, but try it.

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As soon as I finish putting together my AMD64 3200 rig I plan on upgrading my monitor. After looking allaround I suddest to look at the LaCie 19" IV Blue monitor. It has the best specs I've seen.Just my own thoughts.

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QUOTE (streak @ Jul 23 2004, 07:56 PM) As soon as I finish putting together my AMD64 3200 rig I plan on upgrading my monitor. After looking allaround I suddest to look at the LaCie 19" IV Blue monitor. It has the best specs I've seen.Just my own thoughts.
Viewsonic makes the best quality monitors to date nothing beats them in quality and excellence, some companies might have better specs but my A90F+ fell 3 or 4 feet onto my freinds case demolished the bakc of it and destroyed his PSU but im still on my A90F+ with only a minor scratch .

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