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 12/20/2004 12:27 PM
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Im trying to buy some RAM for a cheap price and i found this corsair RAM

http://www.ncix.com/products/i...?sku...=9821&promoid=0' ">http://www.ncix.com/products/i...php?sku=9821&promoid=0

I live in canada and i was wondering if the RAM is any good or if there is another RAM out there that is good for the price can you please tell me. Nothing tooo expensive
 12/20/2004 01:27 PM
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I use newegg so I cant tell you if that is a good price.

Ive bought value ram for 3 different systems. The first one I bought Geil Ultra Value, it was like $75 a stil of 512mb DDR3200 and it came with a heat spreader. Next system I bought Kingston Value ram. (SUCKS IMO). Last system I bought the geil again. I love the geil value ram. Seems to run good, actually got it to overclock quite a bit too. The timings were not as good as the kingston but real close. I believe CL 2.5

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 12/20/2004 01:42 PM
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That RAM will be fine if ur not overclocking.

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 12/20/2004 01:45 PM
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Just like SLaY3r said, Value RAM is a good buy if you're not an OCer, because if you are, you won't get far with it because it's not meant for OCing. Just because it's value RAM doesn't make it good, you should still look at it's specs. CAS 3 on PC3200 would be horrible, and I think that Corsair VS comes both in CAS 3 and CAS 2.5 and on newegg the price is the same. So make sure that you get CAS 2.5
 12/20/2004 02:58 PM
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Agreed with most everybody else. Its mainly for people who dont like to do a lot of overclocking. The memory runs at the timings 2.5-3-3-7. I just bought a gig pack of it myself. I not bieng a big overclocker wanted something that was stable, so I chose this pair. I have received it, but have yet to try it.
 12/20/2004 04:23 PM
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Yea that looks fine, value ram at cas 2.5, for $210 canadian, good buy.

But as people said, it won't overclock very high, maybe a next 10mhz (210x2= 420mhz)

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 12/20/2004 04:25 PM
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There's really no need for someone else to say it, but I will anyway: decent budget memory is a good buy for the non-overclocker. Yes, 2.5-3-3-7 != 2-2-2-5, but I doubt you'll ever actually see a significant performance difference between the two in anything but memory latency benchmarks. Besides, you can't argue with the price difference.

Oh, one original thing to add, though. If you're really on a budget, quality CAS3 is OK. I'm not really comfortable with the idea of running CAS Latency at 3, but in truth the performance difference between it and CAS2.5 isn't really significant either.

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 12/20/2004 04:36 PM
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QUOTE (SDA @ Dec 20 2004, 01:25 PM) There's really no need for someone else to say it, but I will anyway: decent budget memory is a good buy for the non-overclocker. Yes, 2.5-3-3-7 != 2-2-2-5, but I doubt you'll ever actually see a significant performance difference between the two in anything but memory latency benchmarks. Besides, you can't argue with the price difference.

Oh, one original thing to add, though. If you're really on a budget, quality CAS3 is OK. I'm not really comfortable with the idea of running CAS Latency at 3, but in truth the performance difference between it and CAS2.5 isn't really significant either.
Actually SDA the Corsair CAS3 ram costs more at most sites, such is the case at Newegg and ZipZoomfly. I have no reason why. NCIX only cares the CAS2.5 ram. As far as the ram goes, most of the stuff being sent out is from 04. I know my stuff came from 49th week 04, only one week old when I ordered it. Another board member reported to me that he had troubles with his kit, but it was a kit from 03. 04 problems have been fixed.

Overclocking, I have heard that you can go up to 220, but 210 is about the stablest it will go according to some sites. This to me seems perfect ram.
 12/20/2004 04:59 PM
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QUOTE (bvchurch @ Dec 20 2004, 04:36 PM) QUOTE (SDA @ Dec 20 2004, 01:25 PM) There's really no need for someone else to say it, but I will anyway: decent budget memory is a good buy for the non-overclocker. Yes, 2.5-3-3-7 != 2-2-2-5, but I doubt you'll ever actually see a significant performance difference between the two in anything but memory latency benchmarks. Besides, you can't argue with the price difference.

Oh, one original thing to add, though. If you're really on a budget, quality CAS3 is OK. I'm not really comfortable with the idea of running CAS Latency at 3, but in truth the performance difference between it and CAS2.5 isn't really significant either.
Actually SDA the Corsair CAS3 ram costs more at most sites, such is the case at Newegg and ZipZoomfly. I have no reason why. NCIX only cares the CAS2.5 ram. As far as the ram goes, most of the stuff being sent out is from 04. I know my stuff came from 49th week 04, only one week old when I ordered it. Another board member reported to me that he had troubles with his kit, but it was a kit from 03. 04 problems have been fixed.

Overclocking, I have heard that you can go up to 220, but 210 is about the stablest it will go according to some sites. This to me seems perfect ram.
Bizarre. Maybe lower demand is causing higher prices? Talk about a product without a niche, unless some people think higher is better...

There's a lot to be said for budget RAM, actually. It doesn't overclock as far as enthusiast-grade stuff, and it's higher-latency (which doesn't matter all that much unless you're OCing), but good budget RAM will still be all right for light OCing, and it's remarkably cheap stuff.

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QUOTE (nwo @ Dec 20 2004, 10:45 AM) Just like SLaY3r said, Value RAM is a good buy if you're not an OCer, because if you are, you won't get far with it because it's not meant for OCing. Just because it's value RAM doesn't make it good, you should still look at it's specs. CAS 3 on PC3200 would be horrible, and I think that Corsair VS comes both in CAS 3 and CAS 2.5 and on newegg the price is the same. So make sure that you get CAS 2.5
how much difference does 0.5 make on a clock cycle????

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QUOTE (Rico @ Dec 20 2004, 07:39 PM) how much difference does 0.5 make on a clock cycle????
Not that much if your not overclocking

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 12/20/2004 09:15 PM
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i got a 512 chip from kingston. its also value RAM. timings are 3-3-3-7. right now i hav it runnin at 3-3-2.5-6 so urs will probably do the same without a prob. no voltage increase or heatspredder or anything.

just wanted to let ya kno that u can do a little with it if u wanted to save some money but so far its givin me no probs at all.

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i had(this mobo cant adjust it much) my value ram at 2-2-2-5 at 333. same stuff.
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I think I read on some site that the difference between CAS 2 and CAS 3 can be as high as 20% or more!
 12/21/2004 06:35 AM
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QUOTE I think I read on some site that the difference between CAS 2 and CAS 3 can be as high as 20% or more!
Well, that site was wrong. The difference is never larger than about five or six percent in reality. It might be more in a synthetic benchmark specifically meant to test memory latency, but that's not exactly a real-world test.

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This' ">http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=257741 is a very good explanation on Memory and memory overclocking. Infact, I think that says that the CAS makes very little difference to the performance of your RAM.

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The only bad thing in these value-ram series is that you don't really know what you are getting. With the expensive overclocking ram you know that the sticks will have bh5, ch5 or tccd chips on them. With the value-ram sticks the manufacturers get cheap chips that are up for the job and put them on.

So if you had bad results with kingston value-ram, it might just mean that you got a stick with bad chips on it. Now you can even get kinston value-ram with tccd chips, the same used in all the most expensive ram...

Generally a rule of thumb is still that you will have to use relaxed timings, and if you are really unlucky you still won't get a good overclock. Alot of companies have started using samsung tccc chips on their valueram (corsair and kingston to name two) and they can go up to 270mhz with slack enough timings.
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QUOTE (SDA @ Dec 21 2004, 03:35 AM) Well, that site was wrong. The difference is never larger than about five or six percent in reality. It might be more in a synthetic benchmark specifically meant to test memory latency, but that's not exactly a real-world test.
Agreed
 12/21/2004 12:20 PM
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Timings all together, even on a memory hungry AMD64 system, don't actualy make much of a performance difference in real world gaming and applications.

I'd say the difference between 2-2-2-5 memory and 3-3-3-7 is about 2-5% in gaming, if even that.

The only real reason to spend the extra money on good memory over value memory, is overclocking, or you just have lots of money to blow.

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