 10/29/2006 09:29 AM
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Stix Linux Ninja
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Well this is interesting. M$ worked with ATI and optimised the 64 bit edition for AMD turion X2's and snubbed intels offering and with them working with ATI so close what advantages are there?? http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35392 And vista is the reason for ATI/AMD merger?? http://www.amdzone.com/modules...modl...le&sid=6677
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10/29/2006 09:49 AM
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vsingh Voodoo Programmer
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XP 64-bit edition was optimized for AMD64 and not EM64T. So I guess its the same for Vista.
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10/29/2006 10:08 AM
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mckennma Senior Member
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quote:
Originally posted by: vsingh
XP 64-bit edition was optimized for AMD64 and not EM64T. So I guess its the same for Vista.
Intel did not have a true 64-bit CPU like the Opteron, when they started developing XP x64 and Vista many years ago. Now that Intel will have a 64-bit CPU, the code will be fixed for it.
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10/29/2006 10:14 AM
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Stix Linux Ninja
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Just fixing it now?? Should have been done a long time ago.
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10/29/2006 10:16 AM
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srg86 Senior Member
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quote:
Originally posted by: Stix
Just fixing it now?? Should have been done a long time ago.
I'm wondering if Intel still hasn't impremented an IOMMU in EM64T. If not then I don't blame the Vista developers.
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10/29/2006 10:22 AM
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mckennma Senior Member
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quote:
Originally posted by: srg86
I'm wondering if Intel still hasn't impremented an IOMMU in EM64T. If not then I don't blame the Vista developers.
I wonder how accurate www.theinquirer.net is? I would be surprised it is not already fixed. Just not tested by them.
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10/29/2006 10:23 AM
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zeppelinrox Senior Member
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well its like a big soap opera which would actually make a good movie first there was Wintel intel began supporting linux in one way or another microsoft got mad and decided to to wait for intel to come up with 64 bit chips so went with AMD64 intel got into apple boxes and stopped giving super deals to Dell so Dell started using AMD and the intel/apple deal could also have played a hand in AMDs strategic move to buy ATI
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10/29/2006 10:27 AM
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Megadeth Senior Member
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quote:
Originally posted by: zeppelinrox
well its like a big soap opera which would actually make a good movie
first there was Wintel
intel began supporting linux in one way or another
microsoft got mad and decided to to wait for intel to come up with 64 bit chips so went with AMD64
intel got into apple boxes and stopped giving super deals to Dell so Dell started using AMD and the intel/apple deal could also have played a hand in AMDs strategic move to buy ATI
Yeah, and even then, all Unix and Unix-like platforms perform better on AMD64 processors in 64-Bit mode.
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10/29/2006 11:46 AM
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Stix Linux Ninja
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quote:
Originally posted by: mckennma
I wonder how accurate www.theinquirer.net is? I would be surprised it is not already fixed. Just not tested by them.
About 95% of the time correct
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10/29/2006 11:47 AM
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Yue_Hong Overclocker
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That's good if it's true in reality...........
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10/29/2006 02:05 PM
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Xajel Case Modder
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because XP 64bit Edition was designed for AMD64, and EM64T is not 100% compatible with AMD64 ( some alpha or beta versions of XP 64bit Edition only works in AMD64, no EM64T ).. + AMD64 it' the original so its the best choice to dev software for...
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10/29/2006 05:59 PM
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Overmind Assimilator
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Affirmative.
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10/30/2006 05:15 AM
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action man Moderator
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can we avoid the 1 word posts please.. if you have nothing to say then say nothing 
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10/30/2006 02:23 PM
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=assassin= Senior Member
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quote:
Originally posted by: Stix
About 95% of the time incorrect
Fixed. Just IMO.
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10/30/2006 02:26 PM
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Immortal Lobster Resident Crustacean
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Originally posted by: =assassin=
Fixed.
Just IMO.
Actually....I find that their articles are fairly reliable, they sound hokey, but in the end they are usually correct
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10/30/2006 02:28 PM
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=assassin= Senior Member
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quote:
Originally posted by: Immortal Lobster
Actually....I find that their articles are fairly reliable, they sound hokey, but in the end they are usually correct
Yeah, I'm just joking - I know they're reputation regarding hoax news is commonly known though 
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10/30/2006 05:00 PM
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Ravanger Senior Member
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hmm interesting, it seems like every1 is banding with each other like AMD/ATI + Windows and INTEL + MAC O_O the world is turing into a huge war for a monopoly
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10/30/2006 05:05 PM
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Silk_the_Absent1 Senior Member
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quote:
Originally posted by: mckennma Intel did not have a true 64-bit CPU like the Opteron, when they started developing XP x64 and Vista many years ago. Now that Intel will have a 64-bit CPU, the code will be fixed for it.
Prescott was a 64-bit processor from day one. The 64-bit capabilities were disabled in the earlier ones (same thing AMD did with the early K8 Semprons), but it still was 64-bit, and there were non-disabled ones used in-house for testing. I'm sure they were also given to M$ for testing. Intel is not stupid. -Adam
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10/30/2006 05:07 PM
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Ravanger Senior Member
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Originally posted by: Silk_the_Absent1 Intel is not stupid.
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it sure does seem like it sometimes  
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10/30/2006 05:11 PM
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Silk_the_Absent1 Senior Member
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Originally posted by: Ravanger it sure does seem like it sometimes
How so? They have the faster part out now, and will for about another year, from the looks of things. They also had the faster part when AMD was still in the socket A days, but that is in the past. -Adam
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