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 02/23/2006 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by: felixforever
its in the oem agreement that the sticker has to be in a visable spot


i hope no one is honestly worried about such things

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 02/23/2006 10:19 PM
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actually, i would just take the sticker off if i had a prebuilt

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 02/23/2006 10:20 PM
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My point was that if I bought a frigging 4 ton truck load, (filled to the roof), of mobos, then surely I am entitled to buy one lousy oem copy of XP. What did they think I would do w/ that many mobos? Build a shack? But what I built would not be IBM, or HP, or Compac, or Dell, or any other Vbox. So I was a "special case". And they don't make allowances for things like that.
 02/23/2006 10:22 PM
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I don't see how buying non-M$ hardware would get you any special treatment from M$. Am I missing something there? Because that is what it seems like you are upset about.

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 02/23/2006 10:25 PM
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Originally posted by: Suzueya
My point was that if I bought a frigging 4 ton truck load, (filled to the roof), of mobos, then surely I am entitled to buy one lousy oem copy of XP. What did they think I would do w/ that many mobos? Build a shack? But what I built would not be IBM, or HP, or Compac, or Dell, or any other Vbox. So I was a "special case". And they don't make allowances for things like that.


well you sure got the short end of the stick...
why did you need a 4 ton truck of mobos? wasnt 3 enough?

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 02/23/2006 10:32 PM
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I bought them because it was the middle of winter; and I was freezing my can off fishing them out of dumpsters, when they were throwing them out faster than I could salvage them. (Still packed 10 to a case, sometimes 20). So I made them an offer; - $500.00 got me the truckload. Sold most of them at a handsome profit. K?

2nd item: If every computer shop from here to timbucktu can get OEM versions to put in the boxes they build, when they are buying maybe 200 boards a year, no reason, I couldn't w/ the number I bought. Even "MS" saw that when they found out. My beef is NOWHERE in their stinking EULA, which I have read, does it say anything about NOT LOW LEVEL FORMATTING!!! Get it? By rights its called "Fraud".
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Still though, why would that have gotten you special treatment from Micro$oft?

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 02/23/2006 10:37 PM
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hey I was just curious.
good stuff salvaging them and making a profit

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 02/23/2006 10:55 PM
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No prob Zep. Adam you still seem to be missing the point. "What right does "M"(oron)"S"() have to cut off the activation priviledges of a legal user, who has nothing worse than low level format a few times to clear up error problems that the user knows of no other way to clear up?" They give NO WARNING or PROHIBITION on low level formatting, therefore what they are doing is arbitrarily denying the purchaser the product for which the purchaser has paid. FRAUD get it?
 02/23/2006 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by: Suzueya
No prob Zep. Adam you still seem to be missing the point. "What right does "M"(oron)"S"() have to cut off the activation priviledges of a legal user, who has nothing worse than low level format a few times to clear up error problems that the user knows of no other way to clear up?" They give NO WARNING or PROHIBITION on low level formatting, therefore what they are doing is arbitrarily denying the purchaser the product for which the purchaser has paid. FRAUD get it?


microsoft owns the software, you purchase the usage of it, not the software itself.

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 02/23/2006 11:22 PM
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its funny (funny odd not funny Ha Ha) that the anit-piracy activation stuff doesn't affect the pirates... just the regular user

i'd be pretty annoyed

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 02/23/2006 11:27 PM
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That's fine; and if I have PURCHASED THE USAGE of it, then as long as I adhere to their agreement, then I should be entitled to the USAGE of it. And since their stupid agreement says nothing about low level formatting then why do they cut off my activation priviledges for having done that? I'll tell you why; because as part of their anti piracy measures they put a flag on your boot track. And because they are trying to be sneaky, they don't tell you about it. And low level formatting eradicates their stupid flag. And if the flag isn't there, they think it is an install on another machine. THAT would be contrary to their agreement. But I didn't do THAT. I just low level formatted to clear up errors on my HDD that were surviving normal formats.

Tell you what. Read the EULA, then read everything "M""S" gives you w/ your XP, then if you can't find anything that says you should not low level format; then go ahead and do it. Then install and activate XP. Then re-low level format, then re-install and activate XP. Do that about 5 times and see what happens. You won't be breaking any of their rules. But see what happens. THEN maybe you will realize what a ripoff they are.
 02/23/2006 11:31 PM
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I think this will result is quite a lot of lost profit for MS. If Linux is advertised at the time this happens I think people will move, and MS will loose. I also think that more stealing of Windows will occur with this.

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 02/23/2006 11:31 PM
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what idiot activates immediately after installing XP?

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 02/23/2006 11:31 PM
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There is an old saying, "If you don't like it, don't use it." I think that applies very well here. Nobody is holding a gun to your head saying "Window$ or lead, your choice." If you dislike it that much, use something else.

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 02/23/2006 11:39 PM
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The product is not all that bad. It is the attitude of the purveyors of said product that stinks. You have, I notice, sidestepped the issue. If they sell me a usage license for their product, and I adhere to the terms of that license, then I should be entitled to use that product, or alternately have my money refunded. If you cannot see that, well, the less said the better.
 02/23/2006 11:42 PM
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i really don't get how this activation thing works.
say i have windows installed and activated (i had called in and wrote down the activation numbers)
my hard drive dies.
i buy a new hard drive and install windows.. with the serial number that came with the windows CD.
windows bugs me to activate.

so, i can just use the activation code that i used the first time can't i?

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 02/23/2006 11:48 PM
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not really, if you input that, it will likely prompt you to call MS. EVERYTIME I have had to call MS about activation, there has not been a single problem. The key to this is to not treat the MS drone as your friend and tell them your life story. "Lightning fragged my motherboard" is my normal crisis du jour.

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 02/23/2006 11:54 PM
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Not so simple when you live in a basement apartment, and your only phone is a cell phone which doesn't work very well in there; and you have to sit facing 3/4 away from the keyboard to avoid losing the call, just seeing the screen out of the corner of your eye, just because of their stupid antipiracy games, which as Zep pointed out don't affect the pirates in the slightest.
 02/23/2006 11:59 PM
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then become a pirate and be happy..or go to Linux...or try windows 2000...or buy a Mac...if you like the product, and you said you do, you either deal with the caveats or you make up excuses to hate the company.

yeah, this thread is going to get trashed real soon, it started with a ludicrous assumption and has really veered into strange territory.

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