 01/22/2007 10:10 AM
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trickson Senior Member
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Originally posted by: mckennma
How was the sample done? How many of each were sampled? Where they similar quality? Seems strange that Antec was 9.5%. It should have been on 2000 units of similar quality supplies. Are the two best manufacturered in France by chance?
This is why I think this is all BS ! No way a tagan PSU could be @ 2.8% IMHO not to mention Antec @ 9.5% just seems fishy to me is all . I have 2 sony vios and they are p3's not one PSU is bad in them and they are still going strong after what 4 or 5 years now ? This gets a big BS Award from me ..
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01/22/2007 10:16 AM
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mckennma Senior Member
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They all get the Walmart award for cheap price and no quality. The race to the bottom is a tie. They all win. That is why I like PC Power and Cooling. I always get a decent power supply from them.
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01/22/2007 11:10 AM
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srg86 Senior Member
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Originally posted by: JonJon
Well, from what i've seen HP, compaq, sony, and dell outsource their PSU's now.
My old compaq had a compaq psu, however my friend bill's had this 300w hipro in it. My friend pat's old dell has a fortron PSU in it, etc.
And for the record, after 3 years (right after i finished putting this compy together), my compaq psu died and i tossed in my friend's hipro and it has worked ever since in my old comp  . lol
Out of interest, what are modern Hipros like? I have a old AT one that was from my First PC, it's got to be the best AT PSU I've had so far. I've put it in my old 386 PC now as the old one can't supply enough power any more (well it is 16 years old) and so I've put the Hirpro in. (My 386DX-40 from 1991 needs a good quality PSU or I have troubles powering both a hard disk and a CD-ROM).
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01/22/2007 11:30 AM
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MD - Moderator Deployer of Mjölnir - House Keeping
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The problem with the smart power line is the fan controller and the caps they use.
The caps are fine as long as you have higher airflow, Antec slows down their fans so the whole unit runs hotter, hotter power supplies cook capacitors, that is a known proven fact.
The higher end Antecs use different components.
Look at the Fortron unit, huge fan and a lot of holes for air flow.. no wonder they last..
I'm tempted to just remove my PSU enclosure altogether, the fan will still draw air across the components and out the back of the machine...
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01/22/2007 12:49 PM
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mckennma Senior Member
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quote:
Originally posted by: MD Willington
The problem with the smart power line is the fan controller and the caps they use.
The caps are fine as long as you have higher airflow, Antec slows down their fans so the whole unit runs hotter, hotter power supplies cook capacitors, that is a known proven fact.
The higher end Antecs use different components.
Look at the Fortron unit, huge fan and a lot of holes for air flow.. no wonder they last..
I'm tempted to just remove my PSU enclosure altogether, the fan will still draw air across the components and out the back of the machine...
Why not just put a 50cfm fan in? I did it on many power supplies to help with power regulation in server room closets. You want the enclosure because of the high voltages components.
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01/22/2007 12:50 PM
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np6s4x Case Modder
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nice to see Fortron doing so good quote:
Originally posted by: Zozio
Antec's figure really surprised me - I know that I'm not going to be recommending antec anytime soon  .
doesn't surprise me, i've seen them kill motherboards when they go out (ruin the power connector, and take other things on the board with it)
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01/22/2007 02:07 PM
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mckennma Senior Member
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Originally posted by: np6s4x
nice to see Fortron doing so good
doesn't surprise me, i've seen them kill moatherboards when they go out (ruin the power connector, and take other things on the board with it)
I wonder how many fail from poor power, spikes, and other power problems. I use Tripp Lite Line Conditioners to handle power regulation to the PS. I don't have many of the issues most run in to with failing components.
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01/22/2007 02:10 PM
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JesterOnYEr6 Senior Member
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I give that article ZERO credibility and you should too so topic CLOSED. 
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01/22/2007 02:58 PM
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MD - Moderator Deployer of Mjölnir - House Keeping
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To be honest there are a few other forums that have constant posts about Antec supplies, badcaps.net even has pictures of these things... I have one sitting in my cubicle that is toast... quote:
Originally posted by: mckennma
Why not just put a 50cfm fan in? I did it on many power supplies to help with power regulation in server room closets. You want the enclosure because of the high voltages components.
Actually people simply disconnect the fan controller board and let it run full speed.
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01/22/2007 03:01 PM
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CouGaR Senior Member
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Originally posted by: JonJon i've never run itno a problem with an antec smartpower and i've used them in plenty of machines... o.O;;
The one in my dad's PC just recently died... (see here).
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01/22/2007 05:44 PM
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Zozio Senior Member
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Originally posted by: trickson This is why I think this is all BS !
No way a tagan PSU could be @ 2.8% IMHO not to mention Antec @ 9.5% just seems fishy to me is all .
I have 2 sony vios and they are p3's not one PSU is bad in them and they are still going strong after what 4 or 5 years now ?
This gets a big BS Award from me ..
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Originally posted by: JesterOnYEr6 I give that article ZERO credibility and you should too so topic CLOSED.
Actually if you read some of the posts (novel idea eh?) you two will see that there is evidence suggesting that this this is legit. Unless you have any evidence which opposes these results (and the fact that you're not pleased with the results doesn't count) please stop flaming the article.
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01/22/2007 05:48 PM
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JesterOnYEr6 Senior Member
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Originally posted by: Zozio
Actually if you read some of the posts (novel idea eh?) you two will see that there is evidence suggesting that this this is legit. Unless you have any evidence which opposes these results (and the fact that you're not pleased with the results doesn't count) please stop flaming the article.
Read them all and I have a right to my opinion so like it or not live with it.
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01/22/2007 05:49 PM
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Smogsy Senior Member
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my hiper 580watt in this rig running strong
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01/22/2007 06:00 PM
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Zozio Senior Member
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Originally posted by: JesterOnYEr6
Read them all and I have a right to my opinion so like it or not live with it.
I think these quotes speak for themselves, and yes - you are right: everybody is entitled to their opinion (I certainly have one about you right now) but that doesn't mean that you can claim it as fact when you have absolutely no proof and there is actually contradictory evidence. quote:
Originally posted by: technic58 I can see the Antec numbers as opposed to the Tagan and other ones....I've had two of those go on me. One of those I can understand, the other is just the powersupply full out dying. The one I can understand was a 20pin Antec 380 hooked up to my 24pin Lanparty...held for about 8 months. The one I am blaming purely on Antec was my Antec 350w that had been working completely fine and all of a sudden I just started getting tons of BSOD's and what not....
Haven't had any of those problems with Epower.
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Originally posted by: MD Willington The problem with the smart power line is the fan controller and the caps they use.
The caps are fine as long as you have higher airflow, Antec slows down their fans so the whole unit runs hotter, hotter power supplies cook capacitors, that is a known proven fact.
The higher end Antecs use different components.
Look at the Fortron unit, huge fan and a lot of holes for air flow.. no wonder they last..
I'm tempted to just remove my PSU enclosure altogether, the fan will still draw air across the components and out the back of the machine...
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Originally posted by: np6s4x quote:
Originally posted by: Zozio Antec's figure really surprised me - I know that I'm not going to be recommending antec anytime soon .
doesn't surprise me, i've seen them kill moatherboards when they go out (ruin the power connector, and take other things on the board with it)
doesn't surprise me, i've seen them kill moatherboards when they go out (ruin the power connector, and take other things on the board with it) quote:
Originally posted by: MD Willington To be honest there are a few other forums that have constant posts about Antec supplies, badcaps.net even has pictures of these things...
I have one sitting in my cubicle that is toast...
Actually people simply disconnect the fan controller board and let it run full speed.
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Originally posted by: CouGaR quote:
Originally posted by: JonJon i've never run itno a problem with an antec smartpower and i've used them in plenty of machines... o.O;;
The one in my dad's PC just recently died... (see here).
The one in my dad's PC just recently died... (see here).
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01/22/2007 06:16 PM
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zeppelinrox Senior Member
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01/22/2007 06:18 PM
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technic58 Minister of Spare Parts
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But yeah I dunno...I would definitely believe the Antec one. They have gotten so dang cheap lately it's rediculous. Their cases have gone from all metal to like 75% plastic, everything they sell is overpriced...ahhh annoying.
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01/22/2007 06:19 PM
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MD - Moderator Deployer of Mjölnir - House Keeping
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lol... I work in an industry where a simple component failure can kill people... so yes I am a bit disheartened when I see how crappy consumer grade electronics are...
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01/22/2007 06:25 PM
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mckennma Senior Member
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Originally posted by: MD Willington
lol... I work in an industry where a simple component failure can kill people... so yes I am a bit disheartened when I see how crappy consumer grade electronics are...
Mission critical servers and workstations should be build for fault redundancy and fail over at all levels. I choose SCSI RAID for this purpose.
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01/22/2007 06:44 PM
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MD - Moderator Deployer of Mjölnir - House Keeping
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I work in the electrical utility protection business, we build devices that keep the power on, we build industrial computers, and we build entire drop in systems... We also do a lot of other things that I cannot elaborate on. Just keep in mind we work our butts off to keep a lot of people safe.
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01/22/2007 06:46 PM
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Zozio Senior Member
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quote:
Originally posted by: MD Willington
I work in the electrical utility protection business, we build devices that keep the power on, we build industrial computers, and we build entire drop in systems... We also do a lot of other things that I cannot elaborate on. Just keep in mind we work our butts off to keep a lot of people safe.
You seem to know a lot about power supplies. Do you sort of specialize in that area? Are you an engineer there?
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