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 06/11/2007 04:57 AM
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It appears that although the chips are practically ready, (maybe another stepping needed) the platform is certainly not, with dodgy motherboards and BIOS which cause awful memory performance. We may not see Barcelona untill September and Agena untill Q1 08 That does explain why Barcelona is currently clock for clock 2% slower than clovertown.

">http://www.anandtech.c...ade.....aspx?i=3006


2007 is definatly Intel's year.......

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 06/11/2007 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by: srg86
2007 is definatly Intel's year.......

Hopefully, not 2008 as well.

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 06/11/2007 11:49 AM
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I am looking at it from the bright side: AMD64 series is cheaper than ever and as it is, it is optimal for good workstation, gaming rig and server.

I have made small server with 6000+ and boy does it fly under Gentoo linux ;o)

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 06/11/2007 12:03 PM
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Link bring up an error...but I'm sorry, did you say September 2008? That's not acceptable.

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 06/11/2007 12:06 PM
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http://www.anandtech.com/trade...s/showdoc.aspx?i=3006

Here it is again.

September 2007

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 06/12/2007 04:31 PM
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If I recall some of these review sites were pulling up the same bs right before Intels Core 2 chips were released. I'm taking this with a grain of salt.

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 06/14/2007 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by: Brane

I am looking at it from the bright side: AMD64 series is cheaper than ever and as it is, it is optimal for good workstation, gaming rig and server.



However, should Intel intro their Penryn chips ahead of Barcelona - the resulting price drops on their current C2D lineup could really put the hurt on an already limping AMD. E6600's for $90 would certainly be a PC consumers wet dream.

It's time for AMD to put out S O M E T H I N G of value - be it some honest PR or, god forbid - a new piece of hardware.

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 06/19/2007 11:38 PM
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Barcelona, Agena, Phenom. Who cares what we or AMD call it? If AMD can't get it on the shelves, and won't answer even the simplest questions, it is just "smoke and mirrors". If they are playing some "marketing/psychological warfare game", as others have surmised, with Intel I don't think its working. Intel's chips are still faster and on the shelves while AMD's chips are a "Rumor".

In the mean time we are stuck with complaining to ourselves about the lack of support we are getting from AMD and reading a bunch of 2nd and 3rd hand conjecture posted on different web sites.

I have read in some posts in the "Feedback for our Board" topic that this used to be a very busy forum. Now, maybe AMD doesn't think there are enough of us anymore to accurately represent their customer base. I think we represent the last of the hardcore AMD supporters. In the past (haven't visited in about 3 years, forgot ID and pass word) I could come to this Forum, run a few searches and get all the information I needed with out having to post a question. Now the information isn't anywhere public so I joined to ask questions and read more of the posts/links more closely. When that didn't give me the simple answers I decided to try a more proactive way to get AMD to answer just a couple of basic questions so we can make more informed decisions on whether we wait for the Phenom or not. This is what I tried:
http://forums.amd.com/forum/me...86132&messageid=826828

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 06/22/2007 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by: ChinaBull
this used to be a very busy forum


It was fairly busy until the forums were updated, then I think alot of long time members didn't come back once their accounts had got messed up, although things were bound to be on the slide a little anyway.

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 06/22/2007 01:50 PM
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whats scary is in some cases it takes these forums a very long time to post a reply, or even to bring up the dialog, I fear this stuff if it were busy again.

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 06/23/2007 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by: Immortal Lobster

whats scary is in some cases it takes these forums a very long time to post a reply, or even to bring up the dialog, I fear this stuff if it were busy again.


No worry. By the time this forum get busy again, AMD will use Barcelona to run this forum. Then, it should be very fast.

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 06/27/2007 08:55 PM
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my account was messed up for weeks. i just checked back every once in a while till it started working again.

i'd say AMD has a lot more to worry about then whether or not we like their forum software. i'm actually starting to feel a bit desperate for the sake of PC enthusiasts. no competition means a much less interesting scene.

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 06/27/2007 09:00 PM
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Keyword "bound to be on the slide anyway" but yes this forum software is buggy and annoying.

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 07/26/2007 07:40 PM
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I really am having a hard time understanding the difference between a Barcelona and a Phenom. I know the Barcelona is supposed to be a "server" quad-core CPU, and the Phenom a "workstation" one, but what is the difference? Is there a socket difference? Is there a memory difference? Is there a number-of-chips-you-can-put-into-the-motherboard difference? As near as I can tell, the answers to all of these is "No", especially as I've seen recently that the very first Phenom's out of AMD would support two chips (so 8 cores.)

I really want to build a prototype workstation for my company, and if I can build it with 2.0 GHz Barcelonas and then upgrade to Phenoms when they come out, that'd be totally great. Otherwise -- those Q6600s are soooo cheap, I may have to go that way.

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