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 03/06/2009 10:59 AM
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Zodgrod009
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I just ordered a new case online http://www.coolermaster-usa.co...id=19&product_id=2708. I paln on modding it, like painting the interior as well as taking my dremel to the motherboard tray for wiring holes.

My current case will house the secondary system.

As I am getting my 9950 back and I have a spare motherboard sitting there a 250GB drive and soon 4gb of ram I can build a secondary system.

My buddy that I gave the processor to was being a total ***** about updating the BIOS to use the quad core. He has been making excuses for over a month.
First it was BIOS anxiety, next it was his power supply, the latest is that he does not get enough power in his place and has to keep switching the breaker. Its all a bunch of hooey.

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 03/06/2009 11:31 AM
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I've used that case before, my daughters present system is housed in one.

I put in a blue led fan and it lights the front grill up lovely which she loves. She doesn't have any high end kit in their, a 4600+ with stock cooling and a 9600GSO but it keeps it all nice and cool.
 03/06/2009 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by: magdary

I've used that case before, my daughters present system is housed in one.



I put in a blue led fan and it lights the front grill up lovely which she loves. She doesn't have any high end kit in their, a 4600+ with stock cooling and a 9600GSO but it keeps it all nice and cool.



My current one keeps things nice and cool but I need something roomier, so I got this one and I can modify it as well. I have 2 blue LED fans to go in it so I will have that effect.

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 03/06/2009 12:29 PM
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I used the elite 330 before on a few builds.

1 to 10 rating I would give it a 3 due to pore cooling.

Grats on new case bud.

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 03/06/2009 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by: PC-GURU -

I used the elite 330 before on a few builds.



1 to 10 rating I would give it a 3 due to pore cooling.



Grats on new case bud.


Poor cooling???

It will then house my secondary system and I will get an ANTEC 1200 instead.

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 03/06/2009 12:50 PM
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For a mid range build the cooling is absolutely fine. if you were planning on putting your main rig in there it would probably struggle.
 03/06/2009 12:54 PM
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*****, maybe I should put my main rig into my old antec server tower.

That case has had 3 systems in it and all did well. currently housing a 754 socket with a Athlon 64 3200 and my last nvidia card.

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 03/06/2009 12:57 PM
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hey I thought about the antec 1200, I hear it has decent cooling BUT watch out for the fans.

The fans might need to be replaced.

There has been a rash of them cases sold with faulty non working fans due to manufacture failure.

If ya google it , you will find a lot of info like I did.

But ya last time I used that 330 case , I had a 8800 GT build with 6400+ @ 3.5 Ghz. It struggled with cooling bad.

3.7 Ghz quad and 285 GTX super clocked AMP there would be no way in hell due to it producing 40% more heat.

Not in any way trying to rag on your choice bud. I was only trying to give ya a heads up before you start switching them out.

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 03/06/2009 01:14 PM
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I think I will stick with my current case then if it affects cooling that bad.

I do need a case however for the second system.

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 03/07/2009 02:16 PM
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Hey Zod,

I was looking at this case, to switch out from the one im in now (NZXT Apollo), for better cooling. Tell me what you think, If you know anything about it. You might look at it, its a pretty good deal for a full tower. Seems like the airflow will be excellent.

---> XCLIO A380BK

I think for the money, its going to be hard to beat. Otherwise Ill just go with the Antec 900. The local store here has it for the same price as The Egg

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 03/07/2009 02:18 PM
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I looked at that case, but it don't have top exhaust so it wasn't an option for me.

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 03/07/2009 03:00 PM
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I am looking at an antec 300 or to go a bit over budget a coolermaster Mystique 632.

http://www.coolermaster.com/pr....php?act=detail&id=43

I can't seem to find much info.

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Zodgrod009 I cant stress the importance and difference that top exhaust makes.

Its always offered me a dramatic improvement in cooling.

Common knowledge that warm air rises.

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I'm using a Cooler Master RC-690 (my system ain't as powerful as yours though). It's bigger than the elite 330 ((L)524.5 x (W)213 x (H)482 mm) and has a far better airflow. It comes with 3 120mm fans pre-installed and you can cram in 5 140mm, 2 120mm and one 80x80x15mm (behind the CPU) fans.
If you want to have a look at it, here it is:

http://www.coolermaster-usa.co...t.php?product_id=2710

About the price; it's +/-90$.
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Originally posted by: PC-GURU -

Zodgrod009 I cant stress the importance and difference that top exhaust makes.



Its always offered me a dramatic improvement in cooling.



Common knowledge that warm air rises.


I have the power supply above the board so that fan helps however I would so much rather have the power supply on the bottom.

I have all the additional fans I will need for the 300.

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problem is with having PSU on the bottom of the case is that it complete destroys proper air flow.

It sucks all the cool air out of the bottom of the case before it even has a chance to cool any of the hardware.

With my antec 900 I had to literally make a shield that limited the PSU air flow and deflected more of the bottom air to be used for hardware cooling.

Doing so allowed for an additional 15c to 20c in temp drops.

you have to remember that PSU cooling is exhaust cooling for the PC.

Exhaust is meant to be top of the case

Top back and top always.

It was always a grave design flaw having the PSU on the bottom.

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 03/07/2009 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by: PC-GURU -

problem is with having PSU on the bottom of the case is that it complete destroys proper air flow.



It sucks all the cool air out of the bottom of the case before it even has a chance to cool any of the hardware.



With my antec 900 I had to literally make a shield that limited the PSU air flow and deflected more of the bottom air to be used for hardware cooling.



Doing so allowed for an additional 15c to 20c in temp drops.



you have to remember that PSU cooling is exhaust cooling for the PC.



Exhaust is meant to be top of the case



Top back and top always.



It was always a grave design flaw having the PSU on the bottom.



Hmmm that is interesting and so many people claim its so great.
Maybe the CM Mystique may be the way to go then, as it is roomier which is the main reason. I can install a top exaust fan easy.

Or I remodify my old antec server tower.

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your system is far from the Atypical bud.

98% of the ones that said it was so great don't use any where near the power you do. Or produce any where near the heat you do.

I had to mod the hell out of my antec 900 to get it to cool anywhere near well enough.

Just a thought.

Your system will produce very similar heat to mine so I have a good idea what your going to need for cooling if your going to pull it off without a lot of case mod.

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problem is with having PSU on the bottom of the case is that it complete destroys proper air flow.

It sucks all the cool air out of the bottom of the case before it even has a chance to cool any of the hardware.


Yes, that's true if it's mounted upside-down or if it has one of those 80mm fan PSUs. In this case, it sucks fresh air from underneath the case. It also has one front intake fan blowing at the HDDs and another one inputting fresh air vertically at the bottom (140mm max). Anyway, it gives me good temps (despite an orientation problem with the HSF), but I've heard about some people having trouble with theirs. Guess it's a matter of environment and setup (but again, ain't it true for almost any case).

It does have some other points where it can be a problem, though. For example the 4pin 12V CPU connector is often too short with most PSUs. Also, the bottom fan gets sometimes in the way of some PSUs and the top 5,25 bay is just underneath the top usb/esata/mic/headphones panel (problematic if you intend to install anything there).
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Originally posted by: PC-GURU -

your system is far from the Atypical bud.



98% of the ones that said it was so great don't use any where near the power you do. Or produce any where near the heat you do.



I had to mod the hell out of my antec 900 to get it to cool anywhere near well enough.



Just a thought.



Your system will produce very similar heat to mine so I have a good idea what your going to need for cooling if your going to pull it off without a lot of case mod.



I'd love to deflower my dremel but go ahead anyway, I am open to any ideas.

The case I currently have is a Tsonic breeze and it was fine for my dualcore system just not for the quadcore.

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