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 09/10/2005 09:55 AM
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Now....I've had only good experiences with MSI boards, but I dunno if I should go with one of the DFI nforce4 boards since those seem to be the best that are out....If someone could tell me the benefits of getting one of the DFI boards over the neo4 platinum or SLI platinum it'll be appreciated, thanks.

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 09/10/2005 11:17 AM
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the DFI is only worth the effort if you want to overclock, a lot.

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 09/10/2005 11:20 AM
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eh thats not a hard choice for me...id defenitely go DFI. reliability and stability is fine. dont get me wrong, MSI boards are great to, ive had godo experiencs with them also, its just that the lanpartys usually come packed with lots of extrta features and overclocking options.

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i dont plan on doing any OCing...i might later on but as I rememberthe neo4 plat stayed stable until a little over 300mghz of a base clock...I know the DFI is really good I just wanna know what it has features wise and just how good it is overall compared to the msi.

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 09/10/2005 11:44 AM
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QUOTE(JonJon @ Sep 10 2005, 07:41 AM)i dont plan on doing any OCing...i might later on but as I rememberthe neo4 plat stayed stable until a little over 300mghz of a base clock...I know the DFI is really good I just wanna know what it has features wise and just how good it is overall compared to the msi.
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well..im sure that the MSI could OC pretty well, its just that the MSI RAM voltage only goes up to like 2.85-2.9(or so i remember) and the DFI goes up to 4v...

also, the DFI is coated so that it will glow with UV inside you case if u want to light it...and i dunno, they are really great for reliability and stuff....

its not that much extra is it?

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 09/10/2005 11:49 AM
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Ok, you know that is a myth that DFI boards are only best for ocing and MSI boards are not.

When I was looking at those boards, the MSI overclocked as well as the DFI. Go to www.hardocp.com and they have the reviews for both boards and they overclocked equally well. Personally, I would take the MSI over the DFI because I have heard that the DFI bios is quite difficult and the MSI bios is geared towards anyone. All in all, I think it would be easier to overlcock on the MSI since you don't have all the crazy settings. However, the MSI has lower voltage locks, but does that really affect anything if they overclock almost the same?
 09/10/2005 11:57 AM
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QUOTE(Megadeth @ Sep 10 2005, 07:49 AM)Ok, you know that is a myth that DFI boards are only best for ocing and MSI boards are not. 

When I was looking at those boards, the MSI overclocked as well as the DFI.  Go to www.hardocp.com and they have the reviews for both boards and they overclocked equally well.  Personally, I would take the MSI over the DFI because I have heard that the DFI bios is quite difficult and the MSI bios is geared towards anyone.  All in all, I think it would be easier to overlcock on the MSI since you don't have all the crazy settings.  However, the MSI has lower voltage locks, but does that really affect anything if they overclock almost the same?
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well most RAM needs over 2.85V to get to its full potential...im nto bashing MSI at all, ive heard great things about the Neo's.

but yea...not that i think about it, the BISO on here is a bit...complicated....if u wont b OCin DRASTICALLY, then yea, get the NEO4 if u want.

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 09/10/2005 12:12 PM
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Actually for lower multipliers (9x) DFI overclocks best. For Higher Multipliers (12x) the sapphire mobo overclocks the best followed closely (1 fsb) by the Jetway 939GT4-SLI. I would go for the jetway, its cheap and its more ezily accessable.




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id like to kno hwo they got that Ultra-D to 318... /dry.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='dry.gif' />

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used a multiplier of 9 on a 4000+. Thats 2.86ghz.

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QUOTE(Zozio @ Sep 10 2005, 08:15 AM)used a multiplier of 9 on a 4000+.  Thats 2.86ghz.
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yea...i kno wat they did, im jus saying...my DFI NF4 Ultra-d and my Venice 3000+(yea 9x multi) dont get along that well...


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QUOTE(technic58 @ Sep 10 2005, 09:16 AM)yea...i kno wat they did, im jus saying...my DFI NF4 Ultra-d and my Venice 3000+(yea 9x multi) dont get along that well...
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The cores in the 3000+ is kind of from the reject jar. The cores that tested better go in the better processors.

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 09/10/2005 12:38 PM
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those charts mean next to nothing, its going to be different every time.

teh thing about the MSI board is i doubt the voltage goes as high as the DFI... some of this new ram needs like 3.5v.

the dfi is a lot of trouble to set up, but after that, im sure it is the better choice... but again, if you arent going to OC, i dont think it would be worth the hassle.

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 09/10/2005 12:42 PM
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True, overclocking does also hinge on what cpu you have. But for all these tests the same cpu was used. It will give you a comparison of the overclockability of these mobos which is the important part.

I'm not trying to say that if you get a 4000+ and the cpu that the OC will be this exactly.

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right, but every board is going to vary, and results are going to vary too... maybe a certain CPU just worked very well with a certain board that time.

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i have a msi k8n neo plat 754 socket and i love it. and its a great mobo

if your in to overclocking than get dfi, if your not in to overclocking alot then get msi. i've oc my pc to 2.5ghz stable and 2.6 but it was stable untill i started f@H, but im think that b/c i hit a wall with ram

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QUOTE(Zozio @ Sep 10 2005, 10:19 AM)The cores in the 3000+ is kind of from the reject jar.  The cores that tested better go in the better processors.[right][snapback]499561[/snapback][/right]

Not necessarily. They will also use perfectly fine cores in lower models because they sell more. They fill the higher selling price point in the market.

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 09/10/2005 12:47 PM
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True they do, but the point is they sell the better cores in the higher rated cpus, not that the cores in the 3000+ are total crap. The cores in the 3000+ can go up to 2.7+ ghz at times.

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QUOTE(JonJon @ Sep 10 2005, 05:55 AM)Now....I've had only good experiences with MSI boards, but I dunno if I should go with one of the DFI nforce4 boards since those seem to be the best that are out....If someone could tell me the benefits of getting one of the DFI boards over the neo4 platinum or SLI platinum it'll be appreciated, thanks.
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DFI boards are more complicated to use because they have some more advanced OCing options, MSI boards on the other hand are great in most aspects, but DFI is just unbeatable when it comes to OCing.
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I think that one question needs to be asked. Do you plan on overclocking, or uberclocking?

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