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 03/12/2005 05:44 PM
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there are xt from 449 to 699

and xt pe from 649(retail) to 799 (OEM)

i would get an xt and OC to PE, if you wanted to take it further i would be thinking water cooling

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 03/12/2005 05:47 PM
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QUOTE (Cleric @ Mar 12 2005, 02:44 PM) there are xt from 449 to 699

and xt pe from 649(retail) to 799 (OEM)

i would get an xt and OC to PE, if you wanted to take it further i would be thinking water cooling
Yeap, that's what I'd do, but I would never buy water cooling just because I want to get an extra 20MHz out of the core and 40MHz out of the RAM by going from stock cooling to water cooling, but I would get water cooling for both; the CPU and GPU

I currently have water cooling for the CPU only since I don't want to mess with the nice Leadtek HSF on my vanilla 6800
 03/12/2005 05:57 PM
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oh yeah if i was water cooling my vid card i would also water cool the CPU and northbridge

i would go with like
3500win
msi nforce 4
x850xt
1gig (2*512) dual channel low latency ram (ballistic or crucial)
decent case
cdrw
dvd player
danger den water cooling
and whatever else you needed (if you had some money left over bump up the processor)


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 03/12/2005 06:24 PM
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QUOTE (athlonfx @ Mar 12 2005, 07:15 AM) Friend wanted to upgrade to a Dell XPS. However, I told him that for $2500, I can build a faster system than that. What would you suggest to compete with this configuration:

Pentium® 4 Processor 660 with HT Technology (3.60GHz, 800 FSB)
256MB PCI Express™ x16 Nvidia® GeForce 6800 GTO Graphics Card
1GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 533MHz (2x512M)
160GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/ Native Command Queuing
160GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/ Native Command Queuing
Dual Drives: 16x DVD + FREE UPGRADE! 16x DVD+/-RW w/dbl layer write
3.5 in Floppy Drive
FREE UPGRADE! New 17 in E173FP Analog Flat Panel
Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition
Total: $2499
Thats gotta be one of the worst possible systems you could get for $2500. If he knows anything, just tell him that he will be very lucky if his CPU can get under 70C load temperatures, and its not very likely.

And since when is the difference between x850xt and x850xt PE $200? Either way the better buy is the plain XT, unless you refuse to overclock.


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 03/12/2005 09:23 PM
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yea, if your friend s a gamer (which it sounds like) AMD is without a doubt the way to go, and when he doesn't believe you show him some benchmarks, and if he still doesn't believe you then let him waste his $$ on a dell

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 03/12/2005 09:41 PM
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This is more or less what I had in mind ...

AMD Athlon 64 FX-55 OEM' ">http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/...affiliate=pricegrabber $850 or AMD Athlon FX-55 Retail' ">http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/...affiliate=pricegrabber $955
Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe' ">http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/...affiliate=pricegrabber $175 or MSI K8N Neo 2 Platinum nForce 4 ' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=13-130-484&depa=0 $185
WD Raptor 74 GB SATA' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=22-144-160&depa=1 $180
2x Crucial Ballistix 512 MB PC3200 ' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=20-146-546&depa=1 $99 x 2
Sapphire Radeon X850 XT PCI-E ' ">http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/...affiliate=pricegrabber $460
Thermaltake VA3000 ' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=11-133-132&depa=1 $100
Aspire 520W PSU' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=17-148-008&depa=0 $59
NEC 1.44 MB Floppy Drive' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=21-152-005&depa=0 $8
NEC ND-3520A 16X DVD±RW DL Drive' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=27-152-038&depa=0 $61

Total: OEM FX55 = 2127, Retail = 2227

1. Any good power supplies enough to handle this comp?
2. Heard stock cooling is better than most heatsinks out there. Does it make sense to buy a OEM for $850 and get a heatsink to cool it or pay $950 and get stock/warranty?




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 03/13/2005 12:04 AM
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get oem and get zalman 7700 or 7000 youre going to overclock right? by overclokcing youre voiding the warranty anway so

and for psu...i think this will do it' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=17-101-509&depa=0

why dont you get regular SATA drive and more capacity??

do you need to get a monitor too?

this is the monitor i have
http://www.newegg.com/app/View...esc....-001-185&depa=0' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=24-001-185&depa=0

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 03/13/2005 12:10 AM
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QUOTE (misopeenut @ Mar 12 2005, 09:04 PM) get oem and get zalman 7700 or 7000 youre going to overclock right? by overclokcing youre voiding the warranty anway so

and for psu...i think this will do it' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=17-101-509&depa=0

why dont you get regular SATA drive and more capacity??

do you need to get a monitor too?

this is the monitor i have
http://www.newegg.com/app/View...esc....-001-185&depa=0' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=24-001-185&depa=0
Since I am building this for my friend, I don't know if he needs more space or a monitor too ... However, does that monitor really have 8 MS response times???



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 03/13/2005 12:22 AM
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i guess so


the monitor looks good

build an AMD you would be far better

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 03/13/2005 01:02 AM
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oops thats not the one i have i have 915V
V is 25ms
N is 8ms

hey with 25ms i didnt notice any ghosting yet so go for it

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 03/13/2005 03:38 AM
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'Respectable system'=
YY-0221 Mini server cube...165
GV-3D1 SLi motherboard/dual processor graphics... 550
3500 winchester...279
Freezer 64...35
Mushkin 3200 Black, 2 gigs...440
74 Raptor system drive...184
(2) western digital 250 sata for storage drives...186
enermax 550 eps...120
Plextor sata dvd...110
yamaha F1...80
Vantec EZ-Swap...45
sata flex round cables...24
XP pro...150
Advueu 17 inch lcd... 240
Logitech cordless internet pro combo...32
approx...2522

I thought the idea was to show him he could get so much more for his 2500 bucks.
isnt the dell warrantee voided if he overclocks or other tweaks?
no floppy needed with native sata...transfer you floppries to cd.

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 03/13/2005 04:05 AM
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Seeing lots of quotes for hardware folks, but we need to keep it on the straigt compare with the Dell System.

Lots of good quotes, lots of good specs. but I see a few missing LCD quotes (which are in the Dell quote), DVD drives, etc.

Dot the "i" and cross the "t" when you are making quotes for a person that might buy an Intel. You might actually make a good convert out of them, but they have to see how much *more* they get for their money. P4 3.8 is approx equivalent to (performance wise) a what in AMD Land? I know, a AMD64 PR @ 3800 beats the Intel schtuff hands down, so step back a notch on the proc, drop the price a bit for *equivalent* performance to what the XPS rig would run. Then, with the extra $$$, bump up a bit here and there. Sit down with your friend and show him, this is how it works!

Now, the other thing that we cannot replace is the Dell warranty on the box. When we piece meal these boxes together, out warranties are sometime spread out between multiple vendors. Dell... one call does it all.

So, you need to show price/performance, and then also stress reliability of top tier products that will be in the new computer.

I"m too tired to put quotes together right now (wish I'd read this earlier this evening... would have kept me from playing Neverwinter Nights), so if I remember tomorrow, I'll toss some stuff out.

Good luck!
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 03/13/2005 10:13 AM
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Go one of those FX quotes and add a logitech cordless mouse/keyboard duo on it.
Decent LCD r only $250.
Hit him up 4 it!!

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 03/13/2005 11:52 AM
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QUOTE (Cow187 @ Mar 12 2005, 03:24 PM) And since when is the difference between x850xt and x850xt PE $200?
Since pretty much always I guess
All I know is that the cheapest XTPE is 650:
http://www.newegg.com/app/View...esc....-102-502&depa=0' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=14-102-502&depa=0
and the cheapest XT is 450:
http://www.newegg.com/app/View...esc....-142-037&depa=0' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=14-142-037&depa=0

that's a 200 buck difference, ain't it?
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Its actualy more then $200 (which is completly insane) since the PE you linked to is AGP8x, and the PCIe versions are even more expensive.

I take my statement back, even if you refuse to overclock, do not get the Platinum Edition untill the prices come down.

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 03/13/2005 12:54 PM
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my friend bougt a dell XPS about a year ago and has had trouble wiht it and he even bought that warrenty thing and DELL has not done too much for it. It seems whenever i had a computer with a warrenty wheneve something would go wrong they would tell me to reformat. If he is not OCing, attaches his computer to a UPS, and doesnt put in a cabient he should have no problems, and if something is faulty he will know right away. If you want something that is prebuilt iw ould like at www.cyberpowerinc.com they overcharge in some places but that is to be expected. I have never done any business with these people but they seem good

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 03/13/2005 01:04 PM
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QUOTE (Cow187 @ Mar 13 2005, 08:33 AM) Its actualy more then $200 (which is completly insane) since the PE you linked to is AGP8x, and the PCIe versions are even more expensive.

I take my statement back, even if you refuse to overclock, do not get the Platinum Edition untill the prices come down.
OK, it's 300 bucks difference for the PCI-e version, this is the "cheapest" or shall I say cheaper (since there are only 2 PCI-e XT PE versions on newegg) one:
http://www.newegg.com/app/View...esc....-121-532&depa=0' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=14-121-532&depa=0
 03/13/2005 04:46 PM
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Here's an updated list ...

AMD Athlon 64 FX-55 OEM' ">http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/...affiliate=pricegrabber $850 or AMD Athlon FX-55 Retail' ">http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/...affiliate=pricegrabber $955
Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe' ">http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/...affiliate=pricegrabber $175/ XFX 6800 Ultra' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=14-150-081&depa=0 $445 or MSI Neo4 Platinum ' ">http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/...241158&affiliate=pgmsi $140/Sapphire Radeon X850 XT PCI-E ' ">http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/...affiliate=pricegrabber $460
2x Crucial Ballistix 512 MB PC3200' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=20-146-546&depa=1 $103 x 2 = $ 206
WD Raptor 74 GB SATA' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=22-144-160&depa=1 $184
Hitachi Deskstar 7K250 160 GB SATA' ">http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/...affiliate=pricegrabber $94
NEC ND-3520A 16X DVD±RW DL Drive' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=27-152-038&depa=0 $65
Thermaltake VA3000 ' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=11-133-132&depa=1 $113
Thermaltake 560w PSU Silent' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=17-153-015&depa=0 $106
NEC 1.44 MB Floppy Drive' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=21-152-005&depa=0 $11

1. Should I stick with the retail FX55 or get the OEM and get a Thermalright XP-90' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/view...+&CMP=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r or XP-120' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=35-109-118&depa=0
2. Should I go for the Asus and 6800 Ultra or MSI and x850xt?

Please give comments on this configuration.

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 03/13/2005 05:14 PM
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I think you should buy fx-55 retail because of longer warranty. And go with and a 6800 ultra.[URL=dfi lanparty nforce 4 sli-dr 255 $]http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-136-151&depa=1[/URL]
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I would go w/ a Lanparty NF4 Ultra-D and a X850 XT.

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