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 02/08/2005 02:39 AM
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mburgan
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Hi Guys,

I am planning on building a completely new box in the next 6 - 8 weeks.
I have figured most of what I want, but there are a couple components where I haven't decided on yet.
Please feel free to give comments on any parts, but especially on parts that haven't been decided yet.

Please note - all prices listed are Australian Dollars, and are only guides (I should be able to get everything a little cheaper than this)

AMD Athlon 64 3500+ (939 pin)' ">http://www.amd.com/us-en/Proce..._118_9485_9487,00.html $ 400.00
Kingston 1GB Kit DDR400 PC3200' ">http://www.ec.kingston.com/eco...rtno=KVR400X64C3AK2/1G $ 255.00
LG GSA-4160BBK 16x +/- burner' ">http://www.lge.com.au/md/produ...4&productId=1100000086 $ 109.00
Panasonic 1.44MB 3.5"' ">http://panasonic.com.au/produc...egory.cfm?objectID=147 $ 20.00
Seagate ST3200822AS 200GB SATA150' ">http://www.seagate.com/cda/pro...ail/0,1081,633,00.html $ 189.00
Belkin F2N1123-18IN-SL 0.5m UATA133 Rounded cable UV Reactive Silver Braiding $ 13.00
Belkin F3G978-10IN-CPR Copper 10inch Rounded $ 12.00


And now for the choices - I'm still debating whether to go AGP or PCIe. The result of this decision will obviously have an impact on both the Motherboard and the Video card.

MSI K8N Neo2-Platinum (socket 939)' ">http://www.msi.com.tw/program/...mbd_detail.php?UID=607 $ 240.00
OR
MSI K8N Neo4-Platinum (socket 939)' ">http://www.msi.com.tw/program/...mbd_detail.php?UID=637 $ 300.00


MSI FX5700-VTD VIVO 256MB' ">http://www.msi.com.tw/program/...vga_detail.php?UID=533 $ 266.00
OR
MSI NX6600-TD 256MB' ">http://www.msi.com.tw/program/...vga_detail.php?UID=620 $ 242.00
OR
MSI NX6600-TD 256MB' ">http://www.msi.com.tw/program/...vga_detail.php?UID=651


Antec CSP-True480-Blue' ">http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=20481 $ 130.00
OR
Antec NEO480' ">http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=24480 $ 195.00


Thermaltake XaserV V5000D (Blue)' ">http://www.thermaltake.com/xaserCase/Damier/v5000d.htm $ 267.00
OR
Thermaltake XaserIII V1000D (Blue)' ">http://www.thermaltake.com/xaserCase/xaser3/v1000d.htm $ 169.00


Thanks

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 02/08/2005 02:51 PM
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ok, here we go!
mobo... i'm the kind of guy that likes going for new tech when it's available, so i'd tell you to go nforce4... PCI-E is after all very nice, and nforce4 seems to be a very cool platform, not to menjtion the MSI nforce4 ULTRA mobo comes with integrated sound blaster 24-bit sound chip! cool...
so, video card options is obvious... MSI's card... even if you could choose between the three (two?? hat's the difference between those two MSI 6600 cards?), the 6600 is much more better than the 5700... unles that VIVO is important for you, but if you wanna game with that rig, definitley 6600.
i don't personally like ANTEC PSUs... i preffer going for epower or OCZ, but between those two, go the NEO.... 22A on the 12V is not that high....
the case is kinda subjecive, cause i would never pay more than $50 for a case... so i better not tell you what to do with your case
anyway, it's a nice rig you're putting together, good luck building!

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 02/08/2005 03:42 PM
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Heres my opinion:

MSI K8N Neo4-Platinum

MSI 6600 VTD-E, although I must reccomend the 6600 GT, it is just a better costerformance card. It will be much better to you for gaming than the 6600.

Antec 480 true blue, although I have seen better PSU's out there. Enermax has some nice ones, as well as Vantec and OCZ. But that one will do you. It has more Amps on the 12 V railthan the other one on your list, so go with it.

You can sort the case issue out youself, I am with axy1985, I have never and will never spend that much on a case. But it's your money so spend away.

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Hard Drive: Seagate 1TB SATAII
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Power Supply: Tagan TG700-U88 BZ
Case: Antec Nine Hundred
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 02/08/2005 05:50 PM
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MSI nf4 mobo +128 meg 6600 (preferably 6600GT) would be my first pick
MSI K8N Neo 2 +128MB 6600GT would be my second
 02/08/2005 05:57 PM
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MSI nforce 4+ 256mb x800

check glass masters sig for a power supply guide as far as which is good and which isnt as it is often overlooked

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 02/08/2005 08:49 PM
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Hi Guys,

Thanks for the input so far.

Looks like I might need to clarify some things:

Video Card - The difference between the 2 NX6600 cards is that one is AGP and the other is PCIe. I assume that they will be around the same cost.

Case - I haven't got time to mod a case myself (but also the wife would severly disapprove of such activities, and time will not permit). So I have to get a case that has decent airflow in its stock standard form.
Every couple months I get together with some mates for a private LAN party - and WankFactor has become an integral part of new systems.
Also - this is Australian Dollars. I think $1AUD = $0.70USD at the moment?

Motherboard - PCIe and the Neo4 are new(ish) releases here in Australia. I generally like to keep a step or two off the bleeding edge so I don't have to deal with as many bugs etc. But looking in here, they seem to have been around for a little while elsewhere - how new are these?

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 02/08/2005 09:34 PM
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These are all recommendations, so forgive me if it sounds like you should do exactly as I say. Just my opinion.

To begin, in keeping off of the "bleeding edge", go for the Neo2 Platinum + 6600GT... given your options you've given us, I suppose I can't steer you away from NVidia, so best of luck to you there. Choosing to stick to AGP (which is far from dead) will keep your costs down and at this time, PCI-E's only advantage is that it will support greater bandwidths when cards start needing that much.

Go with the V1000D case... just looks nicer, and it's cheaper for you... don't bother with their windows... Tt windows are horrendous. Nothing wrong with putting a set of thumbscrews on the back and showing your mates what's inside by taking the panel off. If you really want a window, get a mod kit and just "forget" to tell the wife.

Between the two PSU's, go for the NEO. Again, more amps on the rail that needs it most.

I'm going to tread into some area that you weren't really depicting as options, just with my own personal recommendations. For the burner, pay the $10 more and get the LG GSA-4163B. It offers faster re-write speeds in a variety of formats. This is if it's available, that is.

Also, make sure your Panasonic floppy drive is model JU-257A. Never been a better floppy drive made. They're decently quiet and very reliable. Should outlast almost any other component (save the RAM).

About your storage, I'd say to you that if you want a large amount of storage space, give yourself a bit of reliability and go for two separate drives. Two 80GBs should cost about the same and give you a fair bit of space. If you want, just get another 80, considering you may end up saving a fair bit of money in other areas. Seagate Barracudas are a great choice, and you'll get some awesome performance out of them if you put them in RAID 0.

Finally, don't be discouraged by the negative comments about spending lots on a case. I do think $267 is a bit much, but you want something that's nice and attractive. Inspiring even, especially if it's going to be on your desk (as it should be, away from the dust). A $50 case will perform the function adequately of what a case is meant to do, but don't settle for that. You want it to do it gracefully. Truth be told, there's a reason why sports cars look the way they do. We're putting performance computer parts in a chassis... it's apt that said chassis looks good.

That's my two cents... or possibly quite a bit more than two, but you catch my drift. Good luck with the rig, looking great so far.

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 02/09/2005 12:46 AM
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QUOTE I'm going to tread into some area that you weren't really depicting as options, just with my own personal recommendations. For the burner, pay the $10 more and get the LG GSA-4163B. It offers faster re-write speeds in a variety of formats. This is if it's available, that is.

Everything is modifiable - as I said originally I'm not going to even order any parts for this system for another 4 to 6 weeks, so if there is anything better I am more than open to suggestions.
I have seen a 4163 quoted, but was unable to find specific details for comparison against the 4160. Can anyone provide me with details or links?

QUOTE I suppose I can't steer you away from NVidia

You can if you can give me enough info to prove why I should.
I choose the nVidia partly because the mobo also incorporates nVidia.
?There must be something to the logic that the mobo and graphic being from the same companies must integrate together better?

QUOTE Choosing to stick to AGP (which is far from dead) will keep your costs down and at this time

Funnily enough, the PCIe NX6600 is cheaper than the AGP Fx5700 - go figure.
Can anyone explain the differences between the NX6600-TD and NX6600-GT?

QUOTE go for the NEO. Again, more amps on the rail that needs it most


I think I will go for the NEO - glassmaster uses one in his rig, and from what I've read in these forums he should know the best.

QUOTE About your storage, I'd say to you that if you want a large amount of storage space, give yourself a bit of reliability and go for two separate drives

I was originally intending to have 2 x 200GB drives, but have decided to only get one initially and get the second later if/when I find I need it.
I have something like 18 hours worth of home-movie to process through and edit, not to mention the thousands of photos!

QUOTE don't be discouraged by the negative comments about spending lots on a case. I do think $267 is a bit much, but you want something that's nice and attractive. Inspiring even, especially if it's going to be on your desk

Thanks, I'm not discouraged. As I said before - its just as much about WankFactor as it is about the cooling capabilities. My current rig (I really should put the details in a sig - I know) lives in a windowed case that has fake wheels and a BMW grill on the front!
I think I'm leaning towards the V5000D coz it looks beefier, has better cooling facilities, and has more WankFactor parts.

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 02/09/2005 01:52 PM
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The cost difference between PCIe and AGP is usually shown on the motherboard, not the graphics card. PCIe mobos aren't that much more though, and will be coming down in price, so I'd keep my eye on them if you're planning ahead for 4-6 weeks.

Also, the NeoPower comes with a 24-pin motherboard connector that's neatly wrapped in Antec Cobra sheathing, and a 24-to-20 pin adapter that is just a mess of wires and looks disgusting. PCIe mobos use 24-pin PSU plugs, and the board I have is 20-pin (AGP), so I plan on modifying the PSU to not have to use the adapter. If you want to avoid this, get a PCIe board. Aesthetics aside, the NeoPower is a great PSU.

I too have wondered if the nVidia chipsets give better performance when paired with an nVidia graphics card. I'd like to see some bench test on this, if any motherboards come with chipset options.

Also, with all the movies and pictures you have (you have a porn site? ), I recommend getting a mobo with RAID and mirroring your drive. Onboard RAID usually supports four SATA devices, so down the road you can add on a third drive for additional backup and mirror that as well. Having backups is a good thing.

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 02/09/2005 02:21 PM
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I say go with the nforce 4 now and then there won't be any of the "wish I had done it then" blues. The price difference between the boards will almost be made up in going for the 6600gt pci-e instead of the fx5700 agp. the e-power/tagan,enermax and ocz psu's should fit the bill nicely for your system also and drop your price a little.

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Cost isn't much of an issue for me - I've been getting plenty of extra paid hours at work lately.

And this is all tax-deductable, so i recoup some 30% of the cost later anyway.

I'm liking the looks of the NX6600 - but it seems I can only get a 128MB GT version, or a 256MB TD version. Is there much of a difference between the GT and the TD (apart from memory size)?

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