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 02/15/2006 09:29 PM
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The fact that one kit can work entirely different then another with respect to your overclock is something I will simply never understand. I received my 2GB ddr500 kit of g.skill from newegg today(along with a 74gb raptor, but that I will play with later) and so I pull the old ram, pop in the new and start fiddling with my bios numbers, and before I know it, my cpu is now at 2898mhz(lets just call it 2.9ghz) @ only 1.488v. Haven't done any stability testing yet, and odds are it isn't 100% stable, but at the same time, no restarts as of yet, with just some web surfing and listening to music on winamp. But just the fact that its booting at all with such low voltage has got me wondering. How can two different sticks of ram change so much about everything else?




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 02/15/2006 09:31 PM
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good question id like to know that too...

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i dunno but.. uh.. Opteorn 165 @ 2.9 ghz?
cool..

whats the stepping/week?

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 02/15/2006 09:35 PM
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CCBWE 0547 TPMW

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 02/15/2006 10:11 PM
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Maybe it's how the RAM interacts with the memory controller?

Sick OC, btw.
 02/15/2006 10:22 PM
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i think everyones 165 is officially better than mine

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Just don't tell AZ, he'll be mad. Very nice OC, another reason why I need to ge tthe G Skill.

EDIT: Oops, hes here already.

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and to answer the original question, less strain on the memory controller makes for a higher overclock, for instance, 1:1 (but obviously at slowest mhz possible) 2T 3-4-4-8 would probably get you the highest OC

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yeah thats a nice OC...wooof.. what cooling do you have and what temps?

say AZ why not just get another one for keeps and sell that one?

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well i got the one 0550 but i sold it made $80 in the end,
i removed my IHS now so it might not sell for as much (or more????)

what the [content edited] does this mean!? i hate prime! i want dualie version of OCCT!

it strikes me that it ran just DANDY for exactly 3mins, then got 100 'warnings', both stopped at the same time!????????

you know its funny i stopped reading the errors a long time ago who knows how many actually successful OCs ive had with dumb errors like this

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and i even have a 1gb kit...
i wanna get that ram now
2gb and 2900mhz*2
wow

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I gave up on the OCing for tonight, I don't like doing important things this late, I find its all too easy to make stupid mistakes.

Thats a good point ninja, being that the memory controller is part of the cpu, different ram could effect it. That didn't cross my mind.

@zeppelinrox I'm using a Zalman CNPS9500, idle around 33 degrees right now. load about 42.

and @az wow is right. Its sad that I'm never happy for very long though.

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 02/15/2006 11:50 PM
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ninja? that was me!

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Nice OC EngleWolf; Let us know if its stable. I had an opty 165 0550 and had it stable to 2.7 something(cant quite recall now) but definately better than my 0546 opty 165. Yeah dont let Trickson see this either he has the same stepping as you and he is only at 2.78 I believe. oh and to make it worse his is a opty 170. I have my opty 170 running at 2900mhz, but one of the cores error out after about 8 hours and the other keeps on ticking. I need to figure out how to get them both as stable as eachother. is one core always more stable than the other?

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 02/16/2006 12:01 AM
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INF: so your 165 0550 didnt go as high as your 170!? pleasantly reassuring to me, kind of

i cant figure out long-[content edited] failures either. its not heat, its not stability... i dont know

and your IHS is off so the core problem now just comes down to the fact that with basic logic if you have two cores one will be weaker

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 02/16/2006 12:17 AM
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quote:

Originally posted by: ninjastyle
Maybe it's how the RAM interacts with the memory controller?



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ninja? that was me!



Come on now, Andrew, gimme my props!

 02/16/2006 12:32 AM
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quote:

Originally posted by: TheReturnOfAZ
INF: so your 165 0550 didnt go as high as your 170!? pleasantly reassuring to me, kind of

i cant figure out long-[content edited] failures either. its not heat, its not stability... i dont know

and your IHS is off so the core problem now just comes down to the fact that with basic logic if you have two cores one will be weaker



AZ, also remember that you use water which should automatically give you at least 100mhz over air. I cant remeber what I told you I got that 0550 165 up to. Ill have to see if I still have the message. Basically what I am saying is that the opty 165 0550 I thought was only approx 100mhz less than this opty 170; but it may have been 140 mhz lower. my opty 165 0546 I could only get to approx 2.66ghz. at least for me its slightly better running theopty 170 but not sure if its woorth the extra$. But being that you have water if you ran a 0550 you would be beyond the 2900mhz mark.

one last note; I still have the IHS on; I just replaced the AMD thermal compnd with AS5. I tried running naked but must have not applied the AS5 properly or something because I lost a lot of oc and let me tell you how hard it is to try and line up the IHS and then to turn around and try to get this gigantic TT BT back on without the IHS moving around. reason why I did not reseal the IGS is because of testing purposes. for a few day I thought I messed up my Opty; but luckily I am back on track and pretty much stable at 2900MHZ. It is very very important to have exactly the proper amount of thermal compound on the core. I tried a thin layer as you would normally, but that didnt seem to want to work so now I am probably using double the amount that you normally would want to use and I applied a thin layer to the core and a thin layer on the IHS.

I have also ordered another opty 170 oem from Monarch for $350 gong to test then resell whichever one oc's the worst, but Im thinking the 0550 will be the better of the two. I will let you know how the 0551's are or whatever I end up with. being that its oem I may get lucky since most people buy retail as I normally do but I have seen the oems selling on ebay for as much as retail; either way I should be able to make an easy $50

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didnt see that one ninjastyle,
and i dobut youll get a better opteron than that infrnl

but a 170 oem for 350? wow thats cheap

prices are all over the place for it on ebay

i want to get it but i have to stop spending money on my computer

although... i wonder how much an IHSless 165 @2700mhz would go for on ebay? if its ~350 mind as well get the 170...

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yeah at monarch the oem 170 is about $400 but somebody had posted an discount code to get $50 off

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