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 05/10/2005 02:36 PM
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I need an ATI gfx card that is better then the nVidia Quadro FX 3400 regardless of price anyone?

In terms of price and performance which one is better?

The X850XT PE which is half the price of the nVidia Quadro FX 3400.

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 05/10/2005 02:42 PM
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ATI FireGL V7100' ">http://www.newegg.com/Product/...p?Item=N82E16814102468
 05/10/2005 02:48 PM
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QUOTE (Tamerz @ May 10 2005, 10:42 AM) ATI FireGL V7100' ">http://www.newegg.com/Product/...p?Item=N82E16814102468
This will do.

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 05/10/2005 06:12 PM
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any nvidia card that has FX in it = owned by most ati 9xxx cards, specially in dx9
 05/10/2005 07:09 PM
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QUOTE (Nolano @ May 10 2005, 05:12 PM) any nvidia card that has FX in it = owned by most ati 9xxx cards, specially in dx9
ya. but workstation graphics card specializes on OpenGL more than DX9 anyway.. they were meade for high end rendering programs such as 3DSM, Cinema 4D, Lightwave 3D etc etc.. those programs are OpenGL.. which is where the Quadro is strong at.. not that the FireGL isnt good enough.. the Quadro would prolly excel in this area in some parts where as the FireGL will be better in other parts

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If you're wanting good openGL performance I'd look into the 3Dlabs Wildcat series.

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Yes 3D labs have monster graphic workshop cards. If you have enough money, get the 1024 mb one, I heard good things about that one from my friend.

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 06/03/2005 09:31 AM
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My experience is that ATI sacrifices visual quality for perfomance and Nvidia sacrifices perfomance for quality. Some games just look stunning on my FX5500, while they look more like stick drawings on my brothers ATI card.

Just my experience though.
 06/11/2005 10:02 PM
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There is no "which one is better than the other."

Here's a quick blow by blow...

Workstation cards suck at games.

Game cards suck at workstation apps.

(Suck is of course a relative term. A nVidia Quadro FX 3400 will blow my 9800 away in Doom3 For instance, but my 9800 will do better in Half Life. Hmm. Why is that?)

nVidia cards excel at OpenGL performance.

ATI cards excel at DirectX performance.

(Doom 3 is OpenGL based, and Half Life is DirectX based. So, in most non OpenGL games my ATI wins despite being an older less technically advanced graphics card. In workstation apps, the 9800 blows even on DirectX workstation apps compared to the 3400.)

Workstation cards are optimized for workstation apps.

Game cards are optimized for games.

(Workstation cards have hardware acceleration for things like multiple clipping planes, generally larger memory reserves, more pipelines and pixel shaders, more registers, and are optimized for larger amounts of data. Most games don't utilize these features and so a good hunk of your silicon isn't even being touched. However, when an app wants to use these things you'll see a 3 year old workstation card render more frames per second than a brand spanking new gamer card. It's just the way a cookie crumbles. The reverse can be said to some extent for games. It isn't a three year gap though. Games are just less taxing on the hardware. So lets say a year or a year and a half.)


Other than that...

There is no sure bet. Performance is all over the place on the 3DLabs cards. I have seen some reviews of them beating a nVidia Quadro FX 4400 in some benches and falling behind a FireGL 5100 in others. All in the same program. It is probably driver issues, but if those are resolved it shows a lot of promise. Also, every one of the factors above influences a card's perforance, so you can't even rely on one of them. There are many more I could put up there, but they are a bit more specific to certain uses. But that is it. Doesn't exactly answer your question, but maybe it will help you figure out which is better for you.

Best of luck!

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 06/11/2005 11:15 PM
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QUOTE(nathan_moorehead @ Jun 3 2005, 08:31 AM)My experience is that ATI sacrifices visual quality for perfomance and Nvidia sacrifices perfomance for quality. Some games just look stunning on my FX5500, while they look more like stick drawings on my brothers ATI card.

Just my experience though.
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that's not much of a statement since you didn't identify what kind of ATI card your brother has...

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I'd recommend nVidia Quadros since they are the best around in openGL.

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