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 11/23/2004 06:34 PM
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I have a computer currently that has systems as follows:
80GB Hard Drive
16x generic cd rom
24x10x40x CD burner
Gigabyte Technology GA-72M motherboard
AMD Duron processor
Microsoft Windows ME
and a graphics accelorator

I am putting these parts in:
AMD Athlon XP 2600+ 1.9 GHz 333Mhz 512K processor
Asus A7V8x-x KT400 5PCI 3DDR 8x AGP Lan Motherboard
512MB PC3200 DDR 400MHz Ram
Asus ATI Radeon x300 SE/T 128m PCI-EX TV-OUT DDR RAM graphics card
Microsoft Windows XP Home

Please tell me what games I could play with this system and how good of a system it is.(I'm going of like a couple dismattles of computers in my electronics class in high school so I really have no idea how good this is but I've been told by three guys I know that this should be a good system for games like Halflife 2 and others)(Also I am going off the reviews and compatibility of these parts)
 11/23/2004 06:53 PM
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QUOTE (AMDgamer @ Nov 23 2004, 05:34 PM) I have a computer currently that has systems as follows:
80GB Hard Drive
16x generic cd rom
24x10x40x CD burner
Gigabyte Technology GA-72M motherboard
AMD Duron processor
Microsoft Windows ME
and a graphics accelorator

I am putting these parts in:
AMD Athlon XP 2600+ 1.9 GHz 333Mhz 512K processor
Asus A7V8x-x KT400 5PCI 3DDR 8x AGP Lan Motherboard
512MB PC3200 DDR 400MHz Ram
Asus ATI Radeon x300 SE/T 128m PCI-EX TV-OUT DDR RAM graphics card
Microsoft Windows XP Home

Please tell me what games I could play with this system and how good of a system it is.(I'm going of like a couple dismattles of computers in my electronics class in high school so I really have no idea how good this is but I've been told by three guys I know that this should be a good system for games like Halflife 2 and others)(Also I am going off the reviews and compatibility of these parts)
That card is trash and its PCI-E. Which means you would have to build a PCI-E system in order to use it.

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 11/23/2004 07:07 PM
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Well sorry I don't have all the cash is the world to build an all star system. All I'm trying to do is build a system that is relativly good at gaming
 11/23/2004 07:11 PM
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QUOTE (AMDgamer @ Nov 23 2004, 04:07 PM) Well sorry I don't have all the cash is the world to build an all star system. All I'm trying to do is build a system that is relativly good at gaming
I don't think he's critising you, he's just saying you can't put that GFX card in your PC cause your getting a Main board that has an AGP slot not PCI-e!
Therefore you'll have to buy an AGP GFX card.

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 11/23/2004 07:11 PM
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If you have the money get a 9800 Pro' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/view...tion=14-127-127&depa=1

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 11/23/2004 07:24 PM
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SLaY3r may have been a bit harsh.

You do need to at least get a comprable AGP version of that graphics card.
The rest of the system specs seem pretty good.

I would make sure and compare, and make sure that a Athlon 64 compatible system would't cost you much more.

That motherboard costs around $50 according to Newegg.com
A Athlon 64 754 motherboard would only cost $15 more.

The processor costs $100 bucks on Newegg
A 1.8Ghz 754-pin semperon costs $125

So for only $40 more you should be able to get a system that will run faster then your currently planned specs. PLUS be able to upgrade to a 754-pin Athlon 64 later without getting a new motherboard.

Remember $40 is less then the cost of one new game.

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 11/23/2004 07:30 PM
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QUOTE (ZapWizard @ Nov 23 2004, 06:24 PM) SLaY3r may have been a bit harsh.


Yeah I didn't mean it go that way.

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 11/23/2004 07:53 PM
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Sorry SlaY3r I should also mention that I live in Canada as my profile has not yet mentioned. so the motherboard cost 83 bucks instead of 50 and the processor costs me 139.99 instead of 100. thats over 70 bucks more so I think I'd rather try and keep this under a grand because it's already gonna cost me 571.99
 11/23/2004 08:03 PM
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but wouldn't the 6 PCI slots this mother board has work for the gfx card?
 11/23/2004 08:08 PM
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lets get one thing for straight

This is an AGP Slot


and
this is a PCI-Express Slot (the one on the top on this image is the X16 for graphics, and the bottom is 1X PCI-Express)


notice something different..
if u havent.. in words.. the X300 is a PCI-Express card.. and all Athlon XP compatible boards are Spcket A which doesnt not have support for PCI-Express but supports AGP.. if u buy a X300 Video Card.. you'll be

1.) Wasting Money
2.) will be disappointed because a PCI-Express Card cant fit on a AGP slot and vise versa

I would suggest the 9800 PRO as well from tigerdirect perhaps. they're selling one there fore 310

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 11/23/2004 08:20 PM
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This Gfx card will work with this mother board right? Is this any better?

SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON 9600PRO Atlantis Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP
 11/23/2004 08:23 PM
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QUOTE (AMDgamer @ Nov 23 2004, 07:20 PM) This Gfx card will work with this mother board right? Is this any better?

SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON 9600PRO Atlantis Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP
Yeah thats much better.

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 11/23/2004 08:25 PM
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ok because as I mentioned this is completely different for me. I'm a car guy but I'd like a good computer.
So ok heres new specs then:
-80GB Hard Drive
-16x generic cd rom
-24x10x40x CD burner
-AMD Sempron 2800+ processor
-Asus A7V8x-x KT400 5PCI 3DDR 8x AGP Lan Motherboard
-512MB PC3200 DDR 400MHz Ram
-SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON 9600PRO Atlantis Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP
-Microsoft Windows XP Home
 11/23/2004 09:05 PM
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QUOTE (AMDgamer @ Nov 23 2004, 07:25 PM) ok because as I mentioned this is completely different for me. I'm a car guy but I'd like a good computer.
So ok heres new specs then:
-80GB Hard Drive
-16x generic cd rom
-24x10x40x CD burner
-AMD Sempron 2800+ processor
-Asus A7V8x-x KT400 5PCI 3DDR 8x AGP Lan Motherboard
-512MB PC3200 DDR 400MHz Ram
-SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON 9600PRO Atlantis Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP
-Microsoft Windows XP Home
Yeah you will able to play games pretty good w/ that comp.

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 11/23/2004 10:37 PM
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so like what games could I play? like rpgs and stuff like that
 11/23/2004 10:46 PM
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you could play any games....

just dont expect it to run smoothly on high resolution with details set on high and textures set on high and AntiAliasing on max

thats for sure..




you comp will be able to handel even Half-Life 2

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 11/24/2004 12:25 AM
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AMD Gamer,

Not sure that really counts as a mod, but more of a system upgrade. Anyway, I understand your desire to keep costs down. However, even talking Canadian dollars, you would be better served to spend a little extra now than having to do this all again in a year or 2 because newer programs and games start bogging the 2600+ down.

Even at $70 more, the A64 would offer better performance than an XP 2600+ due to the integrated memory controller.

The A64 would offer better investment protection because it is 64 bit capable so when MS releases the OS in a few months, you would be ready to go.

An A64 also offers a longer upgrade path. XP parts are going away quickly as is the supporting infrastructure. What happens if for some reason your board or CPU failed in 7-8 months? You may find yourself hard pressed to find a replacement. With an A64, you would be able to find that a lot easier.

Again, I do understand your concerns on keeping the costs down, but I would strongly urge you to reconsider. If the A64 is out of your price range, you might want to look at the Sempron 754 pin CPU. This way you get to the newer platform with a longer upgrade path, yet you keep the costs down. In addition, the Sempron (754 pin part) has the integrated memory controller so you get a performance kick with that as well. It might help you stay within the budget.

Just a thought.

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 11/24/2004 09:55 AM
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QUOTE (Java @ Nov 23 2004, 09:25 PM) AMD Gamer,

Not sure that really counts as a mod, but more of a system upgrade. Anyway, I understand your desire to keep costs down. However, even talking Canadian dollars, you would be better served to spend a little extra now than having to do this all again in a year or 2 because newer programs and games start bogging the 2600+ down.

Even at $70 more, the A64 would offer better performance than an XP 2600+ due to the integrated memory controller.

The A64 would offer better investment protection because it is 64 bit capable so when MS releases the OS in a few months, you would be ready to go.

An A64 also offers a longer upgrade path. XP parts are going away quickly as is the supporting infrastructure. What happens if for some reason your board or CPU failed in 7-8 months? You may find yourself hard pressed to find a replacement. With an A64, you would be able to find that a lot easier.

Again, I do understand your concerns on keeping the costs down, but I would strongly urge you to reconsider. If the A64 is out of your price range, you might want to look at the Sempron 754 pin CPU. This way you get to the newer platform with a longer upgrade path, yet you keep the costs down. In addition, the Sempron (754 pin part) has the integrated memory controller so you get a performance kick with that as well. It might help you stay within the budget.

Just a thought.
Yeah I was thinking of going to a Athlon 64 but is that compatible with this motherboard? and what chip should I go for if I go for the 64?

Sweet I was looking at halflife 2 at futureshop and it looks like a cool game.

thanks guys all suggestions considered and appreciated
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Hey Gamer,

The current board you are looking at is a Socket A board (462 Pin socket). This would not support an A64.

What you should check out is a 754 Pin board as these will support an Athlon 64 or the Sempron (754 pin version). Asus, MSI and Gigabyte are the top manufacturers (based upon brand recognition and market share). However, there are several other manufactures that make boards for these CPU's. I know that Abit, Epox, ECS, Albatron, Jetway, Foxconn, Chaintech, DFI, and Asrock all make boards that would work.

I do have my preference for Asus, MSI, Gbyte or Abit. However, I think the Epox board is probably pretty good as well (though I have never used it). From a pricing perspective, these baords may cost a little more and may stretch your budget. However, the Abit board may be pretty reasonably priced. In fact, one of my systems at home has the Abit board and it is working great.

I have not had very good luck with some of the other Tier II guys, but you may want to get an opinion from others here to see what their experience has been.

As for a CPU, given your price budget, I would say that you should look at either the A64 2800+ or any of the 754 pin Semprons. Obviously, the higher the model number, the better the performance. Therefore, get the highest model that fits within your budget. However, any of the 754 pin parts (A64 or Sempron) will play just about any game you throw at it without any problems. Your video card will play an equally (if not larger) important role in your game performance. Most games are very graphic intensive, therefore a good video card will go a long way in providing a good gaming experience.

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 11/25/2004 02:45 PM
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I've built four systems over the past year and I totally agree with the advice you're being given here. For the most part computer hardware pricing follows a curve such that the performance to cost ratios make buying older hardware more or less illogical when compared to buying newer hardware. For example: I built an AMD K6-2 533MHz system for some friends of mine and it cost them about $250. And please note this involved buying some parts used and some (like the motherboard and processor) at liquidation prices. Half way through this ordeal I looked at Tiger Direct Barebone kits just for comparison sake. It turns out I could have built my friends a Socket A system for about $50 more - and of course the Socket A system would have kicked the %*#?/ out of the K6-2 for gaming, and they would have had many more options for expandabilty for their system in comparison to the K6-2. doh!!!

In fact it appears that as parts become outdated they become rarer and eventually their prices start to go up till they cost as much or almost as much as newer technologies (and even more than newer technologies sometimes). And as far as I can tell their prices don't start to drop until they become obsolete - (like Atari 2600s!! Until I built the K6 system my thinking was the other way around. But some things we must learn the hard way.

Now, not all computer components follow this principal, but CPUs and motherboards and RAM and even hard drives seem to. And that's enough to make it worth your while to go with a Socket 754 if you can afford to invest $50 more. That $50 will carry your system a lot further into the future than your Socket A solution will.

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