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Topic Title: Need for Speed: Undercover benchamrked
Topic Summary: Intel and AMD systems prefer ATI graphics cards
Created On: 11/22/2008 05:15 AM
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 11/22/2008 05:15 AM
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Just found a review for the new NFS:U game and so far it looks like ATI has the upper hand where a 4870 512MB card beats out the nVidia GTX 280 card. As long as ATI keeps refining and working with EA on NFS as they ahve done in the past, this means we're all going to enjoy some great gameplay and sweet graphics settings. I think even my old system might stand a chance. I'll let you know soon as this is on my birthday and Christmas wish list!

http://www.pcgameshardware.com...nchmark_review/?page=2



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 11/22/2008 07:21 AM
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I'm really not surprised the GTX 280 is a dissapointment from my view,the 260 is better then the 280 (pricewise and performance wise)
 11/22/2008 11:49 PM
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The only thing I'm surprised with is the CPU performance scaling, there's something wrong about this game with AMD's CPU's

It's just strange, I just bought two copies of this game for me and my little brother
he has a laptop with AMD Athlon X2 1.9GHz and built-in Radeon X1150 or what ever and by turning off every thing down he can play it with 15 - 25 most times

I tried to install it in both my desktop and laptop, in desktop I lowered some settings to medium or normal except the AA wich I turned off, and I have 20 - 35fps
I didn't run it yet in the laptop ( Core 2 Duo 2.0GHz and Mobility Radeon HD 3450 256MB )

but If you went to the exact same site you will see that A Core 2 Duo 1.8 ( or 1.9 I don't remeber ) can beat Phenom X4 2.4GHz !! so there's some thing wrong for sure, faster dual cores are worse even a 2.8 or 3.0 Athlon X2 are worse than Phenom X4, I think NFS : UC uses alot of CPU power for physics and in some way Intel is doing much better like AMD, something like SuperPI ( uses Integer heavly and Intel is very good with Integers )
 11/23/2008 02:05 AM
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boy was this ever a bull crap benchmark done by a guy who didn't know what he was doing.

O ya lets take Intel top dog CPU,s and put them next to AMD,s baby CPU,s . That was the first clue he was a idiot.


CPUs
. Core 2 Extreme QX9650 (3,0 GHz, 12 MiByte L2-Cache)
. Core 2 Duo E8400 (3,0 GHz, 6 MiByte L2-Cache)
. Core 2 Duo E7300 (2,67 GHz, 3 MiByte L2-Cache)
. Core 2 Quad Q6600 (2,4 GHz, 8 MiByte L2-Cache)
. Core 2 Duo E4300 (1,8 GHz, 2 MiByte L2-Cache)

. Phenom X4 9750 (2,4 GHz, 2 MiByte L2/L3-Cache)
. Phenom X3 8750 (2,4 GHz, 1,5 MiByte L2-Cache, 2 MiByte L3-Cache)
. Athlon 64 X2 6000+ (3,0 GHz, 1 MiByte, 1 MiByte L2-Cache)
. Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (2,6 GHz, 512 KiByte L2-Cache)
. Athlon 64 4000+ (2,6 GHz, 512 KiByte L2-Cache)

Graphics cards
(Clock speed: GPU/VRAM)
. Radeon HD 4870 (750/1.800 MHz, 512 MiByte)
. Radeon HD 4850 (625/993 MHz, 512 MiByte)
. Radeon HD 3870 (775/1.125 MHz, 512 MiByte)
. Radeon X1950 Pro (575/690 MHz, 256 MiByte)

(Clock speed: GPU/Shader/VRAM)
. Geforce GTX 280 (602/1.296/1.107 MHz, 1.024 MiByte)
. Geforce GTX-260-216 (576/1.242/999 MHz, 896 MiByte)
. Geforce 9800 GTX+ (738/1.863/1.107 MHz, 512 MiByte)
. Geforce 8800 GTS (650/1.650/970 MHz, 512 MiByte)
. Geforce 9800 GT (602/1.512/900 MHz, 512 MiByte)
. Geforce 7900 GT (450/660 MHz, 512 MiByte)

Drivers
. Geforce 180.43 Beta (default A.I. with VSync off)
. Catalyst 8.11 WQHL (default A.I. with VSync off)

next lets take some of the highest clocked ATI cards and match them up next to Nvidia base line lowest clocked cards. Next clue hes a complete idiot.

so what do you think would of happened to them benchmarks had they used a decent 280 GTX or 260 GTX?

I can tell you but I would hope you would be able to see it for your self. My god the test base was not even remotely comparable.

How much do you want to bet if I match there settings, I would pass the 4870 performance by a great deal in FPS?

Sounds like I will be buying this game to prove that point real soon.

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 11/23/2008 02:27 AM
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Just ordered it from newegg. Hope to see it Monday. I will guaranty that even at 1680x1050 and matching detail I will pass there 4870 FPS with just my little 6400+.


Freaking rookies need to leave benching to the pro's.



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 11/23/2008 04:48 AM
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Sometimes it's nice to see benchmarks run on stock clocked computers with stock clocked components. Not everyone overclocks, or has bought an overclocked card. I've always believed overclocked benchmarks dilute the real standards. Obviously if you were to look at a stock clocked component in a benchmark and you overclock it it, you would get greater performance.

The NFS series for the most part has always run better on ATI cards in general, over the years. The Need For Speed series is produced in EA Canada's production studio. ATI is a Canadian product (though now owned by an American company). You can see where if one scratches the others back they both reap the rewards. I don't know about you, but at least for the ATI branded video cards in holiday season, it usually meant you got the latest NFS bundled with it, or a coupon for 10% off or something like that. It also meant that the game was gauranteed to play good on ATI cards.

So considering nVidia has all those TWIMTBP games, I think ATI can be allowed to have at least one or two games to itself. Come on now, nVidia gets to have Crysis, Far Cry, they stole Assasin's Creed, and pretty much have all the blockbusters out there, so for once, I'd say ATI can at least have the few EA games they sponsor to hold their own.

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 11/23/2008 06:03 AM
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is it just me or is that review is a little prematurely written especially this line

"If you want to play NfS Undercover at 1,280 x 1,024 with maximal details, you will need at least a E7300 or Q6600 with a Radeon HD 3870 or a Geforce 8800 GT. While Undercover is running very well on AMD's Radeon cards, the Phenoms and Athlons don't stand a chance against Intel's Core 2s. So for example a E4300 is faster than a X4 9750 and only the X4 9950 (not n the benchmark charts) can beat the Intel CPU.

4x Multi Sampling Anti Aliasing is, activated in the game options, almost free; only the Radeon HD 3870 loses some ground. The two oldest graphics cards in the review, the X1950 Pro and the 7900 GT, are far behind on the last places - playing Need for Speed Undercover with those cards is rather impossible."

and I doubt playing with a 7900gt is unplayable, seriously is this his first ever review? and where in the world are the 9850's and 90's and the infamous 6400?
 11/23/2008 06:10 AM
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THAT'S IT! great way to ruin a great name EA you destroyed the NFS name you dumbags, the last great NFS you released was High stakes(thankgod for the guys who made the ep to run on vista) everything else pretty much sucked, SERIOUSLY, what's with all the idiotic cutscenes??(damm its all SRS again and that game sucked)

Is it that hard for you to make a decent enough games, I've got an idea go back to the old days and see what a masterpieces you created in the NFS series upto high stakes, this really pissed me off seeing a great game going to the waste,oh and thanks for ruining Fifa09 also
 11/23/2008 07:04 AM
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Personally i've loved all the recent NFS titles besides Pro Street and the biggest fail was hot pursuit 2...
when underground came in it was so much better than the previous ones.

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 11/23/2008 07:18 AM
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Those werent NFS originals(Underground and so on) hp2 was never a failure it is wayy better than the undergound games
 11/23/2008 08:47 AM
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I'd like to see a modern interpertation of NFS: Porsche Unleashed (or I guess NFS: 2000 depending where you are from). I think that was one of their more pure physics models that centred on car handling. You could do some upgrades to your car's handling, but it wasn't a staggering array of options or anything. Even someone new to racing games could just jump in and go, and you even had the police on your tail in some game modes. Online was fun and they had free downloadable cars later on. The fact that I could play that game over many different Intel and AMD systems and different mid-range to high-end Radeon cards proved the game was meant to be played by the masses.

I guess more and more big games are turnign to blockbusters with a script and gameplay involved, but I would like to see just a pure driving NFS game. I don't need big name actors and parts sponsors in a game. Just get the big auto makers in there, open world driving and some closed circuit driving along with some cops and being able to be a cop and voila.

If you want the storyline and driving aspect, I was thinking with the advances in technology maybe making the movie Bullit into a game. I wish there was a demo, but I haven't seen a demo. I really don't feel like plopping down $60 just to say I have all the NFS titles. I don't have the time anymore to really play games so it has to be a very good game for me to make time and jump in and go.

As for the Intel CPU's playing better, it's supposed to be based on the same Underground engine as previous NFS titles, although heavily updated. Athlon's played fine on those, but maybe Xajel hit the nail on head with the game using Interger physics. Wouldn't suprise me if intel put some sponsorship into it, I mean they've done it before and if Intel did, it may another reason why nVidia is getting the shaft in the benchmarks.

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.Optical Drive: CD/DVD

.CPU Speed: 933 MHz Intel

.Disk Space: 2.0 GB

.Display: AGP with 64MB of memory, NVIDIA GeForce 3 or ATI Radeon 8500

.Memory (RAM): 256MB

.Operating System Compatibility: Windows 98/ME/2000/XP Not Mac Compatible

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 11/23/2008 09:37 AM
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all I want from EA is to revamp NFS back into the glory days , with updated graphics for both p2000 and IV
 11/23/2008 10:20 AM
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Porche unleashed was legend and was prob the best nfs...
but i'm sorry orn hp2 was absolutely pathetic, the driving was kak, the appearance was kak, the gameplay was kak...
underground, underground 2, and most wanted were all much better, peaking with most wanted, but then it started goin downhill with carbon, and i don't really fancy pro street either, though undercover seems to be goin back in the right direction

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 11/23/2008 10:38 AM
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yeah hp2 sucks that's why almost everyone who reviewed (game review sites aswell as gamers) rate it such positively, underground and the rest should never've been tagged with the NFS name, underground and the rest strayed away from the original concept of NFS(racing exotic cars not modding them to sh!t)
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to each his own i guess

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Well I got Quantum of Solace for my birthday so it looks like I'll have to wait till Christmas or get it myself. I did see it for $40 so that's not too bad really, but then again it's not the collector's edition. I still would like to see a demo and see how the game handles and plays. Like does EA not do demos anymore? Demos pretty much sell me on buying the game, or else it's a one-time download and delete.

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Originally posted by: PC-GURU -

Sounds like I will be buying this game to prove that point real soon.


You have the game. Where's the proof ?
Let's compare. I have 4870.

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 11/26/2008 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by: Overmind

Originally posted by: PC-GURU -



Sounds like I will be buying this game to prove that point real soon.




You have the game. Where's the proof ?

Let's compare. I have 4870.


overmind, the last time you called someone out (Adam F), his 260/216 clearly showed better grafix than your 4870,(not to sure about the FPS)
are you sure you want to get SPANKED AGIAN.
you should know that most games are setup for NVIDIA cards.
if i get this game i will test it with my 4850 CF.


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The test was inconclusive since it wasn't the exact same pic at the exact same in-game day period. Not to mention the 2-jpg conversion.

Most games are optimized for nV cards because nV pays the devs to do so beause they can't fairly compete.

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same what intel does to get more publicity?

face it, the tech world is nasty politics, you cant win by being the good guy, just the fact
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