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 12/15/2003 01:43 PM
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Hi i am new to this forum (i came across it looking into the amd 64 fx ) .
I am looking to upgrade my old 1.4 amd (runs fine but i am greedy) to the amd 64 fx as i am a bit of a games addict and belive this may be the future for games .
What i want to to know is what i have to beware of when building it up , i have done minor things to my pc before like changing gfx cards , sound cards , hard drives etc so i am not a completed idiot.What i also want to know is what mobo , memory and do i need to get the best from the cpu ( at a fair price ),is it true that it will only run with a certain type of ddr ?
Also what else do i have to change taking into account my pc is now 2 years old ,is the power supply one of them? any help and advice links urls will be very much apreciated .
ps uk links for buying would best
thanks a lot ZX6r BTW thats also a ninja
 12/15/2003 03:57 PM
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I am (well, was) in the same situation as you, my friend. My Athlon 64 FX machine isnt built yet but I did some heavy research and ordered the parts based on reviews as well as recommendations. What will be in my soon-to-be FX machine is listed in my sig; you should look into these parts. Hope this helps!

EDIT: I also suggest you look through the threads on this forum. Most of the posts contain very helpful advice on what to get, what to watch out for, etc.

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Its alive!
- Athlon 64 FX-51
- ASUS SK8V motherboard
- Corsair XMS Platinum Series RAM, Low Latency DDR400, 1GB(512MBx2)
- Western Digital HD, 120 GB 7200 RPM, 8 MB Cache
- ATI Radeon 9000 Pro
- Sound Blaster Audigy2 Z5 sound card
- Antec TruePower 430W power supply
 12/15/2003 04:30 PM
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cheers my good man


anyone else got any advice ??
 12/15/2003 05:41 PM
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In terms of motherboard, I'd recommend getting the ASUS SK8V. It's a solid board that shouldn't give you any problems. In terms of memory, get some that has tight timings. I'd recommend Corsair's XMS LL series' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/View...473&catalog=147&depa=1. Make sure you buy registered memory though because normal memory won't work with the FX. And you're probably going to have to change your power supply, depending on how much power it can support.

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Intel Core i7 860
ASUS P7P55D-E Pro
Corsair HX650W
Corsair XMS DDR3-1333 (4GB @ 8-8-8-24)
Sapphire Radeon HD 6870
Western Digital VelociRaptor 300GB
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB
 12/16/2003 09:44 AM
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thanks bud
 12/16/2003 03:42 PM
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Nice move on the FX-51... But man, get a real bike!

Real men ride Hondas ;-)

--Mike


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Main Rig: 4800+X2 (AM2), Asus M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless, 4GB Corsair DDR2-800 CAS4 EPP, dual XFX 7900GT Extreme, 4 Seagate 300GB 7200.9 SATA2 drives (RAID5), 16X Sony DVD-ROM, NEC 3540A DVD-RW, Seasonic S12 600W PSU, Thermaltake Armor Tower case, Dell 2405 FPW.

File Server/Backup Rig: Athlon 64 FX-51, Asus SK8N, 1 GB Kingston HyperX memory, GeForce2GTS 64MB, 200 GB Maxtor HD, 40 GB Maxtor HD, 20 GB Maxtor HD, 48X CD-ROM, ThermalTake Xaser III case w/ Silent Purepower 430W

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 12/17/2003 05:58 PM
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You mean real "rice" rides Hondas.
 12/17/2003 06:39 PM
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QUOTE (2002CBR600F4i @ Dec 16 2003, 12:42 PM) Nice move on the FX-51... But man, get a real bike!

Real men ride Hondas ;-)

--Mike
Real men .... EXCEPT stupid COPS ... ready to die soon, .... ride in comfort only BMW bikes!

No rice powered bikes!

 12/17/2003 06:42 PM
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QUOTE (Ardrid @ Dec 15 2003, 02:41 PM) In terms of motherboard, I'd recommend getting the ASUS SK8V.  It's a solid board that shouldn't give you any problems.  In terms of memory, get some that has tight timings.  I'd recommend Corsair's XMS LL series' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/View...473&catalog=147&depa=1.  Make sure you buy registered memory though because normal memory won't work with the FX.  And you're probably going to have to change your power supply, depending on how much power it can support.


I support that motion.

As for Power supply it might be worth to wait till January for new Enermax EG701P-VE SFMA.

ENERMAX NoiseTaker series' ">http://www.maxpoint.com/produc...pg/425sfma/425sfma.htm

ASUS SK8N altough is $ 75.0 less, and it is as good for the same purpose.

ASUS SK8V cost $ 250.00, SK8N you can get for as low as $ 160.00.


What is your opinion:

Is the difference worth the price?
 12/17/2003 09:01 PM
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lol thanks again for the advice well apart from the cbr guy ( I now ride r6 rice powered ) btw i am in scotland so do any of you guys out there know of good uk links and has anyone else got any more memory suggestions ??
 12/17/2003 09:57 PM
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QUOTE (zx6r @ Dec 17 2003, 06:01 PM)   lol thanks again  for the advice well apart from the cbr guy ( I now ride  r6 rice powered ) btw i am in scotland so do any of you guys out there know of good uk links and has anyone else got any more memory suggestions ??
See my post on this thread:

http://forums.amd.com/index.php?showtopic=3979' ">http://forums.amd.com/index.php?showtopic=3979

I see you will save lots of money on gas as you get your ATHLON, you will have no time to ride your NINJA!

LianLi Pc 602 with removwable MoBo tray, and HD rack @ U$ 95.00
Enermax EG701P-VE SFMA (waiting for now EG651P-VE-FM) @ U$ 140.0
Athlon 64 FX-51 @ U$ 790.00
Asus SK8N @ U$ 160.00
1 GB (2 x 512) TwinX Corsair CMX3200-RE-LLPT DDR 400 memory
ATI Radeon 9600 PRO 128 MB (for now) @ U$ 129.00
2 x 160 Seagate SATA drive @ U$ 120.00 each (less 60.00 rebate)
2 x Hitachi 7K60 60 GB 7200 RPM laptop Hard Disk drives (don't ask you can
not afford it! over 2.5" to 3.5" IDE adapter
PLEXTOR PX 708A (Black) 8 xDVD+-RW @ U$ 190.00
16X Lite-On DVD-ROM CDRW (Black) @ U$ 49.00

Insured Shipping and handling ~ U$ 188.00

(I don't like Sony drives!!!

Dial Up backup PCMIA XIRCOM RealPort2 CardBus Global Windows Modem
w XIRCOM RealPort2 CARDBUS LAN
3COM/MEGAHERTZ/USR 3CXM756-US international (with Global GSM & cellular connector)
3COM 3CCFE575CT CARDBUS LAN
PCMIA adapter card
Alternative modem USR 56 V.92 Professional 5610B $ 65.00
Sharp 19" LCD LL-T19D (black) U$ 650.00
Sony 19" SDM HX-93 Black U$ 700.00

all WINDOWS 2000 PRO no Windows XP here!

RedHat 9.0 LINUX (preferred)

LINKSYS BSR-41
5 PROFESSIONAL LAPTOPS LAN (300MhZ PENTIUM II)
ALSO available ATHLON XP 2500+ / ASUS A7N8X DLX WITH CORSAIR CMX3200LLPT


Enermax' ">http://www.maxpoint.com/produc...pg/425sfma/425sfma.htm
 12/17/2003 10:04 PM
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If your gonna get a great gaming rig might as well get this video card:
http://www.ukgamer.com/article.php4?id=96&page=1' ">http://www.ukgamer.com/article.php4?id=96&page=1
 12/17/2003 10:23 PM
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QUOTE (DrPoor @ Dec 17 2003, 07:04 PM) If your gonna get a great gaming rig might as well get this video card:
http://www.ukgamer.com/article.php4?id=96&page=1' ">http://www.ukgamer.com/article.php4?id=96&page=1
At this time HOLD with Video Card.

At the price of U$ 339.00 for ATi ALW 9800PRO it is time to hit the brakes on Graphic Cards. Soon the price will go faster down.
The 9600 and below will be absolute ...

Now you have RADEON 9800XT for U$ 450.00

ATi is going to release RADEON 9900 PRO very soon but ...
the main reason is that ATi is going to release HX480 engine including 64 bit for Athlon 64, so time is to save the bucks and hold for a while, unless you are filthy rich.

For gaming it is not worth to dump so much $$$$ for Digital VIDEO editing it will be a must!

In addition PCI Express also is going to be realeased soon, so no rush to hit big bucks on GRAPHIC card at this time.

with graphic cards my advice:


HURRY UP ... very slowly!


PCI EXPRESS' ">http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1087
 12/19/2003 11:03 AM
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lol thanks again dudes
my head is starting to hurt with all this reading and thinking about this ram and that ram bla blah blah whats good what is not good ,can u give me a run down of what u would put in your fx now if you were upgrading like me .
mmmmmmmmmmmmm or maybe i should buy a top of the range p4 what u guys think????
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QUOTE (zx6r @ Dec 19 2003, 08:03 AM) can u give me a run down of what u would put in your fx now if you were upgrading like me .


mmmmmmmmmmmmm or maybe i should buy a top of the range p4 what u guys think????
CORSAIR 1 GB (2x 512MB) TwinX CMX3200-RE-LLPT' ">http://www.excaliberpc.com/pro...0_164&products_id=2929


*1 GB Kit(2 x 512M) of Registered memory wtih ECC(Error Correction)
*Two CMX512RE-3200LLPT memory DIMMs
*Dual channel testing environment
*200MHz Athlon 64 FX-based test setup
*Tested and packaged in pairs
*Modules tested together in Asus SK8N-based test setup
*Packaged together immediately following system test


XMS ULTRA LOW LATENCY
*Plug-n-Frag Auto-Configuration
*Boots automatically using low latency values
*Tested at ultra-low latency settings (2- 3-2-6)


p4?

what is that?

... is that some Growth Hormone?
 12/19/2003 03:20 PM
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it think maybe its the new honda !
 12/19/2003 04:17 PM
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anyone here from the uk know a site were i can get my memory from at a decent price ?? i am having trouble finding the ram recomended above here in the uk is this ram any good ??http://www.dabs.com/uk/productview?quicklinx=2NC7
 12/20/2003 04:19 PM
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There are several advantages to the Asus board, but the N is NOT going to do the same performance job for you as the V series as someone suggested earlier. The N series uses the Nforce chipset, which does not support HyperTransport the way the VIA chipset does on the V series. In benchmarks, the fastest board on the market for the AMD 64 was the MSI which beat out the Gigabyte and both versions of the Asus (N and V). The Gigabyte, however, had some nice options that, if a small performance decrease is acceptable, are worth looking at. It has dual ATA controllers, so it supports up to 8 IDE drives, PLUS SATA drives. Also has the ability to hook up external SATA drives. There is a comparison of all the AMD 64 supported mobo's on Tom's Hardware.

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 12/21/2003 01:42 AM
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QUOTE (jmcpcllc @ Dec 20 2003, 01:19 PM) There are several advantages to the Asus board, but the N is NOT going to do the same performance job for you as the V series as someone suggested earlier. The N series uses the Nforce chipset, which does not support HyperTransport the way the VIA chipset does on the V series. In benchmarks, the fastest board on the market for the AMD 64 was the MSI which beat out the Gigabyte and both versions of the Asus (N and V). The Gigabyte, however, had some nice options that, if a small performance decrease is acceptable, are worth looking at. It has dual ATA controllers, so it supports up to 8 IDE drives, PLUS SATA drives. Also has the ability to hook up external SATA drives. There is a comparison of all the AMD 64 supported mobo's on Tom's Hardware.

JMC
nVidia3 PRO 150 might not, apparently ASUS with nVidia3 PRO 250 suppose to excel even over VIA K8M800.

Only time will show ...
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