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 07/24/2004 04:32 PM
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Eugene6688
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Hi,
I have about 2500 dollars to build an new computer.
Haven't upgraded from Pentium 2, so I've been saving cash and now want a good AMD system.
Please suggest the best parts for that price.
Except the graphics card, nVidia 6800 ultra from Gainward at 450mhz is the way to go.
Thanks for your help,
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 07/24/2004 05:04 PM
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Hmmm... first of all, this would be difficult for me being in the UK, so planning a spec on USD ain't easy. Athlon 64 3500+ or 3800+ (Socket 939) is the way to go for starters though!

I would buy a 3500+, 1 GB OCZ 3700EB memory, Western Digital Raptor 74GB, a huge SATA drive for storage (probably Hitachi 7K250, 160 GB or NCQ drive), HiS Excalibur Radeon X800 XT IceQ II graphics (OC'd), M-Audio Audiophile sound card, Wave Master (black, water cooled version), and MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum, OCZ PowerStream 470 or 520 watt PSU or one of those PSU's with detachable cables...

or some kinda spec like that.
 07/24/2004 06:56 PM
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QUOTE (Eugene6688 @ Jul 24 2004, 12:32 PM)
Except the graphics card, nVidia 6800 ultra from Gainward at 450mhz is the way to go.

I disagree, the 6800 GT is the way to go. Yes Gainward has a nice looking water cooled card, but maaaaan its expensive, and the 6800 GT's can easily be OC'ed above Ultra speeds, maybe not up to 450, but not too far from it either. Unless you just WANT to burn your money, Id say go with an eVGA, or BGF 6800 GT.

I agree with everything else ninjastyle said.

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 07/24/2004 07:28 PM
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hi,
does 6800 gt support shader model 3 and direct X9.0C.
Also, there is a gainward 6800 ultra that isnt water cooled.
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 07/24/2004 07:32 PM
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Yes the GT does everything that the Ultra does, the ONLY difference is that it has been underclocked. The ONLY difference.

As I said before, you can easily OC them up to and above Ultra speeds.

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 07/24/2004 08:40 PM
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hi,
does anybody know if pci-express is going to be released in august?
also i heard that its not going to make much of a difference for some time, is this true?
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 07/24/2004 08:43 PM
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Yes it's true, and it's really not worth waiting for.

 07/24/2004 09:05 PM
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I have to disagree with my bud ninjastyle here and recommend the GT because you will have more money in the future to upgrade to something better when released. Other than that, the parts ninjastyle recommended are excellent. If you don't plan on overclocking, then I don't see why you should get PC3700 RAM instead of PC3200 (Corsair XMS DDR400 Xtra Low Latency Series with 2-2-2-5 timings is great), but OCZ does make some excellent RAM! I have heard many good things from the EB Series. By the way, the video card ninjastyle changed is absolutely wonderful. Thus if you don't want to overclock the GT, go with the one he specified. If you don't want to overclock at all, then get Corsair XMS XL PC3200 RAM or an OCZ equivalent since those two manufacturers are the best in my opinion. I would go with the 3500+ since the price is extremely low (a drop of more than $200 recently! It is only $399 now) and say save the extra money for a future upgrade (AMD Athlon 64 4400+ and stuff like that). Good luck! Ninjastyle has pretty much hit the specs right on, but the memory probably should be Corsair if you don't want to overclock.

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 07/24/2004 09:51 PM
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hi,
i plan to overclock, not alot.
i plan to build a computer so that it can last for about 1.5 years.
In 1.5 years I will build a new computer.
 07/24/2004 09:58 PM
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QUOTE (Eugene6688 @ Jul 24 2004, 07:51 PM) hi,
i plan to overclock, not alot.
i plan to build a computer so that it can last for about 1.5 years.
In 1.5 years I will build a new computer.
I have the strangest feeling that that statement reminds me of an English class about reversing sentences or something like that. Anyways...

Are you asking for advice or what? Please clarify so we may be able to help if you want help.

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 07/24/2004 10:12 PM
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hi,
now that i read my post it looks funny . Actually i was saying that i plan to overclock my computer, so please suggest parts that are good for overclocking.
 07/24/2004 10:37 PM
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Well it depends on your budget. LVSeminole knows alot about this, and I do not.

Processors good for overclocking:

AMD Athlon XP 2500+ Barton Core
AMD Athlon XP 2100+ Thoroughbred Core
AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Newcastle Core

I have also heard the FX-53 is somewhat of a decent overclocker (maybe around 250MHz increase or so). As for the motherboards, I am unsure. Anandtech had a nice review on upcoming S939 motherboards and some of those were great overclockers. You should ask around a bit more since I am rough on this topic, sorry. Good luck though.

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 07/25/2004 01:13 AM
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QUOTE (jcastro @ Jul 25 2004, 02:05 AM) I have to disagree with my bud ninjastyle here and recommend the GT because you will have more money in the future to upgrade to something better when released.  Other than that, the parts ninjastyle recommended are excellent.  If you don't plan on overclocking, then I don't see why you should get PC3700 RAM instead of PC3200 (Corsair XMS DDR400 Xtra Low Latency Series with 2-2-2-5 timings is great), but OCZ does make some excellent RAM!  I have heard many good things from the EB Series.  By the way, the video card ninjastyle changed is absolutely wonderful.  Thus if you don't want to overclock the GT, go with the one he specified.  If you don't want to overclock at all, then get Corsair XMS XL PC3200 RAM or an OCZ equivalent since those two manufacturers are the best in my opinion.  I would go with the 3500+ since the price is extremely low (a drop of more than $200 recently!  It is only $399 now) and say save the extra money for a future upgrade (AMD Athlon 64 4400+ and stuff like that).  Good luck!  Ninjastyle has pretty much hit the specs right on, but the memory probably should be Corsair if you don't want to overclock.

, jcastro
Actually yeah J, the 6800GT is looking very good right now, I'm just a HiS freak, I think! I would love that limited edition version (only 1000 made! of the X800 XT IceQ II. Full name is HiS Excalibur Radeon X800 XT IceQ II PE LE or something equally confusing... Anywayz, I did say that's probably what I would buy, meaning my spec was just a suggestion. Obviously, anything could differ, but whatever you buy, you're gonna end up with one very sweet machine.

Eugene, the OCZ 3700EB offers great OCing potential and it was pretty much designed for Athlon 64, that's what Andy Talamantez from OCZ told me. BTW, if you're planning to OC more than a few hundred Mhz, have a look into some cooling. Suggested CPU coolers include Zalman, Swiftech, Thermaltake, and a few others... I dunno, I only need the AMD retail unit because I don't wanna OC more than 200 Mhz and the AMD retail cooler will handle that kinda OC on my A64 3200+, just enough to turn it into a 3400+, basically, and that's plenty fast enough for me.

 07/25/2004 07:49 AM
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hi,
i think that amd 64 3500+ is the processor that i will buy.
Can any one recommend a good CPU cooler and provide a link?
Thanks,
Eugene
 07/25/2004 12:01 PM
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Excellent choice. The stock AMD cooler will be fine unless you plan to OC more than a few hundred Mhz. You gonna use some Arctic Silver 5 on there, btw?



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My 3500+ and asus A8v turned up the other day. The stock cooler is nice and small, it uses the retention clip method that is easy to use/install. I hope to build the system next week once the 74gb raptor and corsair xlpro memory arrives.

Nvidias use of new shader technology ect is all very nice, as seen in the 6800gt. I cant help thinking that by the time these shaders ect actually become standard in games the 6800 will have been replaced 3 times over by the new generation cards. Wasnt it the use of fancy bells and whistles that completly screwed the nvidia fx cards. I think that ati have got the right idea, brute power with all the technology that is currently required by current and new to release games. HIS X800 XT all the way! that card owns. Dont graphics cards suck, they cost an arm and a leg and only last just over a year untill you have to buy a new one. And no, im not an ATI fanboy.

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hi,
can anyone give provide a link for this HIS X800 XT card.
Thanks
 07/25/2004 04:07 PM
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yes google.com

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nice one Seph

Hes got a point, why not look urself instead of asking.
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