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 12/29/2004 08:50 AM
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I've been building a new Athlon 64 system over the past few weeks and today finally got enough of my components delivered to see if the machine would at least POST.

I've got a retail 3500+ plugged into an Abit AV8 board in an Antec Sonata case.

Initially I had issues with mounting the heatsink and I ended up spoiling the thermal interface provided by AMD so I got some Artic Silver 5

I cleaned the HSF and the heat spreader well based on instructions found on this board and the AS website and followed the instructions as best I could.

So basically the thing POSTed first time so I had a look through the BIOS to see what I needed to set up.

Looking at the CPU temp it reads a constant 46 deg c and the HSF wasn't uncomfortable to touch... in fact, it wasn't really warm at all. I would imagine that if I'd messed the AS5 up the thing would get hot and power off... and I know it needs a few hundred cycles to reach optimum efficiency.

Cool N Quiet is disabled in the BIOS right now and I don't have a HD or optical drives to install Windows yet.

It that temp "OK"? Should the heat sink be hotter when idling in the BIOS? Will the suggestion of flashing the mobo BIOS really make a difference?

Any suggestions or comments are appreciated!

And apologies for the ranting, this is my first home build since back in the P2 days!

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 12/29/2004 09:42 AM
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No, that's not high but it's alittle warm for idle. Doesn't that case only come with 1 fan installed? You might try adding a second case fan. Your temp shouldn't be constant. Mine ranges between 39c-52c.

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Yeah, the Sonata comes with just a fan in the rear by default... that temp is with the side of the case off and I've yet to tidy up any of the cabling.

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 12/29/2004 10:40 AM
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You need to have the most recent BIOS on your motherboard before worrying about temps.

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 12/29/2004 12:06 PM
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I've noticed that my temps are higher while sitting in the BIOS than they are while Idle in windows.

Flash the BIOS and get your windows in and check the temps with a program like motherboard monitor or speedfan.

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 12/29/2004 12:16 PM
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Yeah, I think a BIOS flash plus switching on Cool N Quiet is the way to go... The last of my computer parts are being held up by an out of stock item so I'll need to sort that and get Windows on ASAP.

The motherboard comes with plenty of temp and overclocking utilities.

I'll post back if I run into any troubles, thanks for all the info!

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 12/29/2004 03:17 PM
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QUOTE (fasty @ Dec 29 2004, 05:50 AM) I've been building a new Athlon 64 system over the past few weeks and today finally got enough of my components delivered to see if the machine would at least POST.

I've got a retail 3500+ plugged into an Abit AV8 board in an Antec Sonata case.

Initially I had issues with mounting the heatsink and I ended up spoiling the thermal interface provided by AMD so I got some Artic Silver 5

I cleaned the HSF and the heat spreader well based on instructions found on this board and the AS website and followed the instructions as best I could.

So basically the thing POSTed first time so I had a look through the BIOS to see what I needed to set up.

Looking at the CPU temp it reads a constant 46 deg c and the HSF wasn't uncomfortable to touch... in fact, it wasn't really warm at all. I would imagine that if I'd messed the AS5 up the thing would get hot and power off... and I know it needs a few hundred cycles to reach optimum efficiency.

Cool N Quiet is disabled in the BIOS right now and I don't have a HD or optical drives to install Windows yet.

It that temp "OK"? Should the heat sink be hotter when idling in the BIOS? Will the suggestion of flashing the mobo BIOS really make a difference?

Any suggestions or comments are appreciated!

And apologies for the ranting, this is my first home build since back in the P2 days!
Keep in mind, if the HSF is NOT making good contact with the CPU, the HSF will seem very cool to the touch, because it's not doing it's job.

Another note is that when a properly ventilated case has it's side off, the CPU temp will generally rise, because the circulation of air through the case is stopped.
 12/29/2004 03:28 PM
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I wouldn't say very cool... it's hard to describe really. Basically it wasn't hot.

I would imagine though that if there were not a good contact between the CPU and HSF it would be a whole lot hotter than 45c and I'd have probs... or is that wrong?

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 12/29/2004 06:41 PM
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actually, the cpu useage is really being used at a high rate when in the bio, so those temps seem normal to me...My fx55 idles around 50c in the bios and thats with a thermalright xp90...so u should'nt be concerned

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 12/29/2004 06:56 PM
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QUOTE I would imagine though that if there were not a good contact between the CPU and HSF it would be a whole lot hotter than 45c and I'd have probs... or is that wrong?
Try running a Prime95 torture test and see what temps you get. You will know if the HSF is not installed properly. You shouldn't get anything higher than 60C, if you have an updated BIOS and good measuring utility.

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I got Windows etc installed last night and it does seem to run cooler in Windows than it does idling in the bios.

The idle temp with Cool N Quiet disables and the side of the case off is 37 - 39 degrees.

Under average load it seemed to hit the low 40s

THen I downloaded Prime95 as suggested by Glassmaster and did a torture test. I have to admit, I only ran it for an hour as I wanted to go to bed.

THe temp was somewhere between 57 and 59 while running Prime 95, again with the case off and no cool n quiet yet.

After the hour of running I touched the HSF a few times and it seemed to be a fraction warmer than skin temp.

I've got pretty warm hand so it's hard to tell but it wasn't cool, just not what I would call "hot".

I used the uGuru utility that came with the mobo to measure temperature.

So what do you guys think?

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 12/31/2004 12:05 PM
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Cool N' Quiet won't make a difference for Prime95. Try it with the case all put together; I wouldn't worry about it if it's under 60C.

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QUOTE (randy2 @ Dec 29 2004, 04:17 PM) QUOTE (fasty @ Dec 29 2004, 05:50 AM) I've been building a new Athlon 64 system over the past few weeks and today finally got enough of my components delivered to see if the machine would at least POST.

I've got a retail 3500+ plugged into an Abit AV8 board in an Antec Sonata case.

Initially I had issues with mounting the heatsink and I ended up spoiling the thermal interface provided by AMD so I got some Artic Silver 5

I cleaned the HSF and the heat spreader well based on instructions found on this board and the AS website and followed the instructions as best I could.

So basically the thing POSTed first time so I had a look through the BIOS to see what I needed to set up.

Looking at the CPU temp it reads a constant 46 deg c and the HSF wasn't uncomfortable to touch... in fact, it wasn't really warm at all. I would imagine that if I'd messed the AS5 up the thing would get hot and power off... and I know it needs a few hundred cycles to reach optimum efficiency.

Cool N Quiet is disabled in the BIOS right now and I don't have a HD or optical drives to install Windows yet.

It that temp "OK"? Should the heat sink be hotter when idling in the BIOS? Will the suggestion of flashing the mobo BIOS really make a difference?

Any suggestions or comments are appreciated!

And apologies for the ranting, this is my first home build since back in the P2 days!
Keep in mind, if the HSF is NOT making good contact with the CPU, the HSF will seem very cool to the touch, because it's not doing it's job.

Another note is that when a properly ventilated case has it's side off, the CPU temp will generally rise, because the circulation of air through the case is stopped.
What I was going to say. That Arctic Silver 5 will burn in once you start using your system and the temps start to fluctuate and melt that stuff down. Then you'll prolly get better cooling from your HSF which should warm the HSF up a little bit. Of course as the HSF warms up the fan will spin up a bit too I would imagine.

Those temps are right on for an FX proc.

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 12/31/2004 12:52 PM
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It's not an FX though it's a 3500+

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 12/31/2004 01:00 PM
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Reading too many posts in this forum today!

Well, sorry bout that. I would say that as your Arctic Silver "Burns in" you should notice a drop of a few degrees Celcius. Something I did with my FX-51 setup was I put a PCI Slot Fan under the graphics card. It dropped my temps about 15F because it pulled a lot of the heat from my GPU out of the case before it could heat up my CPU. In my present case I'm using 2 PCI clot fans.

Now note these are the exhaust type fans and not the PCI card fans that blow air onto your graphics card. Those things are pieces of junk! At best they will drop your system temps like 1C and that's only if you have a side case fan blowing air in onto your CPU!

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Thanks for the cooling info, the more the better! Don't worry about mkistaking it for an FX! I've been doing so much forum reading on the matter I can't think straight.

I should like to add BTW, that I'm now running it with the case closed and it's idling at 31 - 32!

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Excellent temps!

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I'm stress testing it with Prime95 now that I've got the case cover on and it's holding at 55 - 57! CPU fan RPMs are 2820 - 2900 Room temperature is 22* I'm very pleased


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OK, after over 24 hours of various tests all the numbers seem ok at least...

I'm getting between 33 and 35 idle, 55 - 56 under Prime95 torture test which I ran for about an 12 hours or so...

I OC'd it to 2.4GHz and ran Prime95 again and it failed pretty quickly... plus the CPU hit about 62!

What still has me a little concerned is that the HSF doesn't get HOT... It's definitely around skin temp since anything less could feel cool relatively speaking...

I know it's not the same but I ran the same thing on a P4 1.8 from Dell with one of those passive corrugated style heatsinks and an 80mm fan and that gets HOT!

What should I do next? The system *seems* stable but I have no frame of reference...

Should I just leave it for a while since everything seems OK?

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Abit AV8-3rd Eye
Corsair TWINX1024-3200XL DDR-DIMM 1024MB
Leadtek Winfast A400 TDH GT (Nvidia 6800GT)
Western Digital Caviar 250GB SATA
NEC DVD recorder ND-3520A
Antec Sonata Miditower
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