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 12/11/2006 04:50 PM
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analogkid45
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Hi. I have an AMD64 3000 cpu installed. The cool n quiet variable frequency is not functioning anymore. Core Center reports it at 2000mhz all the time. As a result, it is running hotter than normal and is not as quiet. I tried the latest bios (ami v2.2), the latest amd64 driver and the latest core center. The system did not like the newest amd64 driver (shutdown just as windows finished loading) so I went back to the previous versions of everything. It did work at one time but something must have changed.

System Specs:

K8T Neo FIS2R (MS-6702)
AMD64 3000 socket 754 (clawhammer or newcastle I think)
chipset K8T800
bios AMI v1.9
amd64 driver v1.2.2
Core Center v1.5.5.0
cool n quiet enabled in bios setup
dynamic overclocking disabled

Thanks for any input
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 12/11/2006 04:53 PM
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have you changed it in the power seeting's area? to fnd that, see other posts about cool 'n' quiet.

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 12/11/2006 05:14 PM
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contol panel ,power options .check that out, see what its set to. should be like energy star or something like that ,
Thats funny Camthrax I am on metrocast lol

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 12/11/2006 05:16 PM
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tha's the one. i also assume you have it turned on in the bios. (sounds stupid, but there are some stupid people out there)(not calling you stupid of course )

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 12/11/2006 05:28 PM
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why do u want it on in the first place? its a peice of cr@p and only creates more problems for u

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 12/11/2006 10:32 PM
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What problems does it create? I only see a benefit in that the cpu runs cooler and the fan isn't screaming all the time. I think throttling back on the frequency and voltage when not needed makes sense. Just as overclocking makes sense when you need it.

Thanks!
 12/11/2006 10:37 PM
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I run PowerNow! (same as CnQ) 24/7 ('cept for tweaking, testing, or benchmarking) with zero problems. I typically idle/surf at between 26-28°C. How can that be a bad thing?

edit: Sorry analogkid45, that doesn't really help you, does it?
I've never had any problems with it. Maybe toggle in BIOS, see it that makes a diff.

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 12/11/2006 10:51 PM
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of course, analogkid could run said program instead, unless it was a part of your mobo, so maybe it was helpful after all?

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 12/11/2006 10:55 PM
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Oddly enough, the Opty, Athlon/FX, and X2, throttling drivers, (whether called PowerNow! or Cool 'n' Quiet) are actually the same app. Same size, same release date, and if you run them through a compare routine, they show as identical.

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 12/11/2006 11:04 PM
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well knock me down with a feather and call me bill, that's just a little bit suspicious huh?

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 12/11/2006 11:05 PM
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Working fine now, thanks to you guys. It was the power options in windows. That explains what changed because I did a clean install of xp awhile back. I will check out that other program though.
Thanks to all!

 12/11/2006 11:30 PM
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Oooh, system not liking latest version of Cool n Quiet. As soon as it starts when windows boots up: bod, reboot. Hmmm. Maybe it doesn't get along with the older amd64 driver??? Or maybe the mobo bios version??? Anyway, the older CnQ version works ok except I think the fan speed is a bit high. 3800 rpm with cpu at 35c and at 800mhz?
 12/12/2006 12:02 PM
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see, i told u, its too much work for something that probably wont work for u

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 12/12/2006 01:15 PM
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What other, older AMD 64 driver do have installed?

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 12/12/2006 10:43 PM
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amd64 driver v1.2.2
ms6702 mobo
via chipset K8T800
bios v1.9
core center v1.5.5.0

I updated core center and got the bsod when it started up, windows shut down, rebooted.
Safe mode, restored current version.

Right now, the cpu frequency is variable as desired and is running about 10 degrees cooler. However, now the fan speed is constant at 3750. It does not change regardless of temp and frequency. And that's as low as I can get it in core center even with the user setting dropped all the way down.

So now I have the same problem except this time with the fan.

I must have a bad combo of bios, amd driver, and core center.

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 01/09/2007 12:07 AM
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Cool 'N Quiet absolutely DOES work for W2K. I too had problems with it, where I installed it and it worked OK, then stopped working. Thinking back, I had done some work on the system, removed power, and the BIOS did this "overclocking failed" message on the next boot, asking if I wanted to load default values and continue. I said YES. I believe that reset the Cool 'N Quiet setting in the BIOS. And that was what must have made it stop working.

I'm running W2K SP4 on an FX-55 (2600MHz) using an Asus A8V-VM board. I bought a quiet 2000 RPM fan that requires Quiet 'N Cool to keep the CPU temp low. Without it enabled, it runs 65 deg C; with it enabled it runs 47 deg C, with the clock usually at 1200MHz unless it needs speed, then it jumps to 2600MHz for only as long as needed. The Quiet 'N Cool dashboard does a good job showing it throttling up, as well as WCPUCLK (freeware).

Oh, the BIOS setting is HARD to find! So double-check if you really do have it there. It's not under Power where it should be, it's under Advanced -> Chipset -> AMD Quiet 'N Cool, then just select Enabled. Once you do that, the AMD Quiet 'N Cool tab will appear in your Power Options in the Control Panel. When it's Disabled, the tab won't appear.

Another thing, some said that the computer must be in Laptop/Portable mode for Quiet 'N Cool to work, I found that to NOT be the case. It works in normal desktop mode also. Perhaps that was an XP thing; I'm on W2K.

I used the version of Quiet 'N Cool from the AMD site that's for W2K, version 1.0.8.1, CNQ_1_0_8_1.EXE.

One other note, it's EASY to turn Quiet 'N Cool on and off. In the AMD Quiet 'N Cool tab in Power Options under Control Panel, you can just select High Performance and Apply to have it run full speed. Selecting Automatic and Apply again will return you to Quiet 'N Cool mode. But I haven't had a need to do that.

I guess my only real bad experience (other than the time to figure this out) was that I wasn't able to use a passive copper heat sink that looked promising for Socket 939 applications, even using Quiet 'N Cool. Temp got over 87 deg C. So now I have a whipser-quiet 2000 RPM fan that won't increase in speed liek some do under Quiet 'N Cool's fan speed feature, but it shouldn't need it. I found that using Quiet 'N Cool was the only way to acheive a quiet system.

Thanks!
 01/09/2007 03:52 PM
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yes, cool and quiet can be problematic sometimes. like a freind of mine was telling me the other day.

" yeah, my flat mate was running cool and quiet, and he didnt know it. the fan had stoped running, and he wondered why. so he poked it. it broke. he didnt think anything more of it, and went to bed, leaving the computer decoding mp3's. when he woke up the next morning, he had blown his cpu. the cooler fan had melted. onto his Gfx card. he then asked me what to do about it, and i just said leave it out on the pavement, and the rubbish guy's will get rid of it. he then told me that he didnt think it would matter too muchbecause it was only doing mp3's from wav format. yeah. compressing 80 meg's into 4 meg's without qualtiy reduction isn't going to take too much power is it? "

funny little story i thought you all might like to hear.

P.S @edge45, what's metrocast?

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