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 11/07/2005 02:33 AM
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ovidiuz
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Hi,

I've been experiencing problems with my PC for quite a while now.
I have an ASUS A7N8X-E Deluxe mainboard and an AMD Athlon XP 3200+ processor.


In short, when I configure the correct FSB settings in BIOS so that my processor would be recognized as Athlon 3200+, operations like playing games and even watching movies would cause the computer to hang.
From time to time, a hang would occur even when browsing Web pages.

In time, I have narrowed the possible causes of the problem down to two: the mainboard and the processor.

Now, if I set the FSB at 100 instead of 200 (the processor running at 1100 Mhz), ALL
my problems dissapear.

Could you guys please help me find out WHAT is exactly the faulty component?

Unfortunately, I couldn't find anyone with a similar processor so that I could further troubleshoot this myself...

Thanks,

Ovidiu Z
 11/07/2005 02:50 AM
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where did you get your processor? if you bought it on ebay, you could have a fake...
what kind of memory are you using?
what kind of heatsink and fan are you using to cool your cpu? and is it properly secured? thermal interface material, like Arctic Silver?
what is the condition of your power supply? just as important, what is it's wattage and voltage ratings...

what you describe sounds like overheating, but what is causing the overheating?

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 11/07/2005 06:35 AM
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QUOTE(MrWicked1968 @ Nov 7 2005, 10:50 AM)where did you get your processor?  if you bought it on ebay, you could have a fake...
i did buy it on ebay.
looked brand new to me :-(
how can you tell if it's fake or not?


what kind of memory are you using?
2x512 MB DDRAM Kingmax 3200, Dual Channel
Tested it for about a day with no errors


what kind of heatsink and fan are you using to cool your cpu? and is it properly secured?  thermal interface material, like Arctic Silver?
I'm using a Zalman cooler; the thermal interface material is no-name.


what is the condition of your power supply?  just as important, what is it's wattage and voltage ratings...
I'm using a Thermaltake PSU, 430W real output, recently bought. I've been having the problem even before changing the PSU...


what you describe sounds like overheating, but what is causing the overheating?

I'm not sure this is caused by overheating.
I've been using monitoring tools for CPU temperature and for voltage.
The CPU temperature is about 60 C, the voltage has very small variations since I replaced the PSU.
If I check the CPU temp after a hang, it still shows values around 60 C.

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 11/07/2005 11:06 AM
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If you want to go to the trouble you can use a scanner to get a high resolution jpg of your CPU then post a link to the image. If the bridges are sharp enough someone can tell you if it's a genuine XP3200+.

60C is way too hot. You really should get this down under 50C. If you remove the heat sink to get a picture of the CPU, you might as well get some Arctic Silver 5 as it may help when you reinstall the CPU and HS.

At 200/400MHz your motherboard likes manual RAM timings of 2.5-3-3-11, too.



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 11/07/2005 11:16 AM
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Your temps are 60c ???? OMG, that's outrageous. Assuming the processor is good (not a fake), spend $11 for a small tube of Arctic Silver 5 and then buy this heatsink/fan. I have it, and I highly recommend it, despite the noise complaints from those "sensitive" types. Those XP3200s run hot.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...asp?...N82E16835106035' ">http://www.newegg.com/Product/...p?Item=N82E16835106035

Good luck.

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 11/07/2005 11:19 AM
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I think that an application of some AS5 and maintaining a proper airflow in the system would do the trick.

Though I personally like the Thermaltake Volcano 12+ that "brencat" recommended.
 11/09/2005 05:46 AM
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OK, here are pictures of my processor:


http://nabuco.ase.ro/IMG_2722.JPG' ">http://nabuco.ase.ro/IMG_2722.JPG


http://nabuco.ase.ro/IMG_2713.JPG' ">http://nabuco.ase.ro/IMG_2713.JPG


If it is a fake, then can you tell what type this processor was in its initial state?

Thanks a lot,

Ovidiu Z
 11/09/2005 10:11 AM
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Sorry, the L12 bridges have been tampered with. On a genuine XP3200 it should look like the L1 bridges above. This could be a rebadged XP-M2200+ or XP-M2400+ but looks a little different. Maybe an XP2500+.

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 11/09/2005 04:25 PM
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:-(

OK, thank you very much for your help.

This is really I lesson I learned...
 11/09/2005 05:32 PM
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Are you going to return it or did you get a low price? This is a terrible time to be buying a genuine XP3200 because the few left out there are going for top dollar, well over $200.

It's also a hard time to find any fast Athlon XP for a good price. If you're going to keep this processor there's still a reasonable chance you can get it to run as an XP3200 but you must get that temperature down at least 15C. That's your system's fault, not the CPU.

A little work and you might be ok. After you get the temp down to 45 or less see if you can run the system at 166/333 times 11 (or like an XP2500). That would be a good compromise until you feel like pushing on.

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