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 06/08/2005 05:14 PM
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contact the LOS ANGELES COUNTY SHERRIFS DEPT,INDUSTRY DIVISION.

if your cpu was bought online from atric.com
DBA(doing business as)
enetshoponline.com

and you bought an OEM ATHLON XP 3200+

AND DID NOT RECEIVE A GENUINE CPU;
and what you did receive was a cpu that may be a mobile processor that had the bridges cut BY A LASER OR OTHER TOOL and it was relabelled an ATHLON XP 3200+
call this phone number so that there is a track of documentation and traceability for this vendor.

1-626-330-3322

dan jackson @ ext. 3313 will refer you to the fraud dept.
and they will get back with you for a statement.

MAKE YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS THREAD RELEVANT.
law enforcement may get the link to this thread.



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 06/10/2005 01:26 AM
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http://www.la-sheriff.org/stat...r3/industry/index.html' ">http://www.la-sheriff.org/stat...r3/industry/index.html

this is the webpage for the Industry station where i first got the contact number.
also, i got the city police department of central point oregon to take a complaint and to send the complaint that they had taken on the day that i found out i had a fake ATHLON XP3200+, to the Industry station by FAX.
they received the FAX and called me about it today.


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A number of eBay buyers, including myself, are getting burned with counterfeit Barton 3200 chips. They are marked as AXDA3200DKV3C which is a bogus ID string. The 3C suffix indicates a 256k cache and 266 Mhz bus. The Barton 3200 was never made in this configuration. The one I got appeared to have the links physically cut, not laser scored. The relabel job looked convincing.

I was not able to amd-cpuid mine, because it arrived DOA. I emailed the seller and told him it was both dead and counterfeit. He refunded the full price, including shipping, for two of the three I bought. These two had not yet shipped, so he nipped that in the bud immediately. This means he knows they are frauds. The 3rd chip in my possession will be refunded in full when he gets it back.

I left the seller a Positive Feedback: "AXDA3200DKV3C is a counterfeit Barton 3200. I received a full refund." The purpose is to alert all future buyers about counterfeit chips. The second reason is because I don't need a negative feedback. This gives him the benefit of the doubt about buying an honest, but ignorant seller. And pigs fly.
 02/05/2008 09:34 AM
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bgavin,

I recently bought an Athlon XP CPU on eBay, with the following label text:

AXDA3200DKV3C Y866335104211
AQXDA 0343MPMW 1999 AMD

The CPU was listed as

"AMD ATHLON Barton XP 3200+ XP3200+ CPU S462 400FSB WOW
SUPER FAST 400 FSB REFUND Warranty Fast Shipping!! NR"

However, it appears to be DOA, as it would not POST in my motherboard. I am returning it to the seller. I am trying to determine whether this is counterfeit/relabeled.

Thanks.
 02/19/2008 08:48 AM
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Have the same pickle ,bought axda3200dkv3c for a Barton. I remember that AMD support had tables listing part nos and specs, but can't find them now.Does anyone know if these spec tables are still avialable?
 02/19/2008 01:49 PM
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http://fab51.com/cpu/guide/opn-xp-e.html
http://www.amd.com/gb-uk/asset...cification_Rev_ENG.pdf

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 02/19/2008 07:02 PM
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Thanks MD. These re they
 02/19/2008 07:37 PM
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If I read those charts correctly the AXDA3200DKV3C should be called a Thorton; but it does have a Barton core with 256 L2 cache and FSB of 266 and performs same as Thoroughbred.That makes labeling a little iffy and probably gives those EBay vendors and out.However in my eyes they are still frauds,at least the ones calling them Bartons .I noticed one vendor doesn"t.
,she just list them with there specs of 256 l2, 266 FSB
 02/20/2008 02:09 PM
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Some of those cpu's are also dumpster dived... apparently someone or a group of someones was swiping them from the fab, changing the OPN and selling them as legit, there was an article years back about this.

No one really pays attention to it anymore since the Socket A cpu is past EOL...

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 02/24/2008 07:08 AM
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Update: After several emails with the ebay vendor he promised refund upon receiving return
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Here are some facts about these chips,
User Kebbuck sells these chips in Liquidation.com as Salvage, here is the link of his auctions:

http://web.liquidation.com/auc...ller&username=kebbuck

If purchased a CPU from eBay missing Pads or with holes like niddle holes on the pads, like some one stacked CPUs on the top of each other like junks then....

Here are the links where these chips come from
Arrests made in Taiwanese re-marking raid, AMD says..
Taiwanese police arrested several suspects and seized an unspecified number of re-marked Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) processors in a Dec. 30 raid on four businesses at several locations in Taiwan, an AMD spokeswoman said Wednesday.
Re-marked processors are chips that have been illegally re-labelled as a more valuable chip, such as one offering more on-chip cache or a higher clock speed. Re-marked chips are intended to be sold at a premium to unsuspecting users, who may find themselves with a defective processor or one that does not perform to the expected specifications. AMD spokeswoman Catherine Abbinanti declined to reveal specific details of the raid in Taiwan, including the exact number of processors seized by authorities, citing security reasons. But she said numerous media reports that had estimated the volume and value of processors seized were "unsubstantiated and without merit."

On Jan. 1, the Liberty Times newspaper published a photograph on its Web site of 11 cardboard shipping boxes that contained re-marked processors seized by police in Taipei. Citing a police source, the newspaper reported that a total of 60,000 re-marked chips with an estimated retail value of NT$300 million (US$9.4 million) were seized in a raid on Dec. 31.

The newspaper also reported investigators believe that more than 1 million re-marked AMD chips may have been shipped overseas to Germany, China and other countries. However, a spokesman for AMD Germany said Tuesday that the company had contacted its distributors and resellers in Germany and found no evidence that re-marked processors had entered that country from Taiwan.
The police raid in Taiwan follows a similar operation conducted by Thai authorities in November of last year, Abbinanti said. That raid was aimed at local distributors who were either suspected of re-marking chips or selling re-marked chips, she said.

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http://www.infoworld.com/artic...emarkingarrests_1.html
 04/04/2008 03:43 PM
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Yep that's big business. Remarked Tbred "Sempron 2800"s are probably still kicking around http://fab51.com/cpu/guide/attention_xp-e.html

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 07/31/2008 02:25 AM
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sorry to blow so much dust off an old '05 thread.

I recently bought two lots of processors from a guy in the states, all socket A's im not sure where he got them from but they were untested, the first lot had alot of processors with what i thought was overclocking damage because many of the bridges had been cut, and in that lot are a very large number of processors that appear to be fakes(cut bridges, wrong size die, chip looks wrong). most of the processors from the first lot which has arrived are all DOA, but the ones that do work, is it legal to sell these? or should these be turned over to somone, and if they are legal for sale should the 3200s(axda3200dkv3c) be listed as thorton or thourougbred knockoff 3200's?
 07/31/2008 12:17 PM
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Sure you could sell them, as long as you very carefully explain to people buying them that they are not exactly what they say they are.

When selling them I would make it VERY CLEAR that they were used, & incorrectly marked processors for experimenting with, that they also carry NO WARRANTY what-so-ever...


I'd also try to keep the price low, since people will jump down your throat if you try to fleece them.

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 07/31/2008 02:20 PM
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well I was planning on running amd cpu id on them to find out what they are then test them at that speed and explain to people what the deal is. I was just wondering if it might be completely illegal to sell relabeled processors.

Thanks a bunch

Oh also is relabeling of such an old processor still illegal? because i bought this lot with about 30-50% illegally relabeled processors from one guy, Im not sure what I should be doing about that.( they were listed as untested pulls from old systems for salvage or gold scrap)

And again, thanks for your help!
 07/31/2008 02:35 PM
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AXDA3200DKV3C has never existed. No 133MHz(C) bus 256kb L2(3) cache Athlon XP would ever have a PR of 3200. Obviously an illegal fake.

The only legit xp3200s are AXDA3200DKV4D and AXDA3200DKV4E.

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 07/31/2008 03:05 PM
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what exactly is the best way to properly ID what they are?
 07/31/2008 03:16 PM
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If they have bridges cut and fake labels the best thing to do is to link to scans of them to get an idea what they were originally. But a lot were just pilphered from the reject bin at AMD and may not have had any ID at all.

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 07/31/2008 03:57 PM
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IMG links
http://i5.photobucket.com/albu...er/DSCF3051.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albu...er/DSCF3050.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albu...er/DSCF3048.jpg


Images (if they work and arent downsized, otherwise use links)




the first is two "3200's" the one on the right with a bit of sticker paper left CPUids as a thorton with a 256kb cache.

The lower two are a 1800(left) and a 2400(right) those two im not sure of being fakes or not, the picture of the bottoms is once again 1800 left and 2400 right.
Both of the 3200s have a bottom like the 2400 with no capacitors.
 07/31/2008 04:50 PM
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More info on bridges here http://fab51.com/cpu/barton/athlon-e23.html

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