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 04/11/2005 10:49 AM
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bigmaddaz
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Right my computer specifications are as follows:

AMD ATHLON 3200+ CPU
GIGABYTE 7NF-RZ (Nvidia 2) Motherboard
2x512MB KINGSTON DRR PC3200 400mhz RAM
NVIDA FX 5900XT Graphics Card
500W Power Supply ( +3.3v - 28a , +5v - 40a , +12v - 70a , -5v - 0.5a )

The above system I have gradually been putting together over last few months, however I have been having quite a few problems with locking up during normal windows applications but mostly during gameplay. I firstly though it may be do to with the heat, and when I monitored my cpu temperature it was around 55 degrees, then I put it down to my ram because I had pc2700 ram 333mhz, ro a few days ago bought new ram.

However same problem is still persisting, ive got latest graphics card drivers, tried latest bios for motherboards, cleared CMOS. One weird thing happens when I play games usually CS:Source , when it loads menu etc.. is fine, but then when I get into game it all courrupts, like certain graphics start disspearing and things are flashing etc... But with other games it doesnt do this it simply locks up. Ive read alot about this and tried disabling the following from my bios:

FSB Spread Frequency
AGP Spread Frequency
AGP Fast Write

But still had no luck!

Any help or pointers would be gladly appreciated!

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 04/11/2005 04:58 PM
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Take the RAM off SPD in the BIOS and put it in sync with the FSB (of 200). And try manually setting the RAM timings to 2.5-3-3-11 - if no better, change that 2.5 to 3 and try again. This should help.

You could raise your vDIMM from 2.6 to 2.7 or 2.8, too.

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 04/12/2005 11:40 AM
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ok just thought i should say ive just put side panel on pc and cpu temp is now 63 degrees! and thats just browsing internet, ive noticed only a few times my monitor like just flicker a black screen for around 1 second but then kicks back in.The heatsink fan I got on my CPU is an ARTIC COOLING COPPER SILENT 2, is this ok ? (it is for athlon cpus upto 3400+)
 04/12/2005 12:03 PM
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MD's Temperature related standard checklist.

Check the following for overheating or perceived overheating:

- Is the heatsink correctly installed ?
--> Verify it is correctly installed.

- Is thermal interface material used between heatsink and cpu ?
--> Verify it is used, and is applied according to the manufacturers guidelines.
--> Recommended PCM's, thermal pads from "AMD Thermal, Mechanical,and Chassis Cooling Design Guide #23794.PDF.
- Bergquist HF225UT Phase Change
- Chomerics T725 Phase Change
- Honeywell PCM45 Phase Change
- Power Devices Powerfilm Phase Change
- ShinEtsu PCS-TC-11T-13 Phase Change
- Thermagon T-pcm905C Phase Change
--> Recommended thermal interface material aka: grease, gel etc.
- Arctic Ceramique.
- Arctic Alumina.
- Arctic Silver, 3, 5 etc.

- Is the TIM pad cover removed from heatsink before installation, if using supplied TIM pad ?
--> Remove the cover before installation, failure to do so will insulate the cpu from the heatsink.

- Is there adequate airflow or case ventialation ?
--> Verify airflow, add case fans if required.



- Is the Vcore set higher than specified by the manufacturer ?
--> Verify the Vcore is set to the manufacturers specification in the mainboards bios.

This one really applies to Gigabyte mainboards !!

- Is the temperature read via the internal temperature diode. Is the tremperature read via the socket thermistor ?
--> Temperatures read at the diode can and will be higher than an external reading.

- Is the temperature sensor properly calibrated ?
--> Several boards have this problem, check manufacturers bios revision history for calibration fix.
--> Does the heatsink feel warm or HOT, if it's warm it could be a miscalibration error.

Do you have the latest bios for your mainboard, there were several gigabyte boards that read the temperature incorrectly...

Do the finger test on the heatsink !! if it's too hot to touch then somethings up!

MD

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 04/12/2005 02:50 PM
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Nice checklist, MD!

But brings up a question (as usual ):
When feeling the heat sink I suppose you want to touch the the fins on top and if they're cool then feel the base right on the CPU. I'd expect the base should be pretty warm to the touch but not hot?

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 04/15/2005 02:54 PM
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Cheers for the checklist MD! When I touched the heatsink its warm, and warmer towards bottom. Im really not sure what is wrong, im not sure how my motherboard monitors the temperature, but speed fan is saying that my cpu temp is around 53 degrees when doing nothing. My new case arrived today and has air ventilation identical to one in diagram, 2 on psu, one on front and two on side. Anyone know how I could check or test my my CPU was faulty?

The heatsink itself I was told is fine upto athlon 3400+ and there was silicone paste that came in the box with it. Artic colling thermal compound. I wonder if its worth in me investing in a better heatsink liek a thermaltake?

 04/15/2005 05:31 PM
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Just reading this forum and heard of the WCPUID program ran it and had the following settings just wondering if these seem right ?

[ WCPUID Version 3.3 © 1996-2004 By H.Oda! ]

Processor #1 : AMD Athlon XP (Model A) / 3867B8A6
Platform : Socket A (Socket 462)
Vendor String : AuthenticAMD
CPU Type : Original OEM Processor (0)
Family : 6 (7)
Model : 10 (10)
Stepping ID : 0 (0)
Brand ID : - (-)
APIC : ----
HT Log.CPU Cnt : ----
Name String : AMD Athlon™ XP 3200+

Internal Clock : 2205.00 MHz
System Bus : 400.91 MHz DDR
System Clock : 200.45 MHz
Multiplier : 11.0

L1 I-Cache : 64K Byte
L1 D-Cache : 64K Byte
L1 T-Cache : ----
L1 Cache : ----
L2 Cache : 512K Byte
L2 Speed : 2205.00 MHz (Full)

MMX Unit : Supported
SSE Unit : Supported
SSE2 Unit : Not Supported
SSE3 Unit : Not Supported
MMX2 Unit : Supported
3DNow! Unit : Supported
3DNow!+ Unit : Supported

Host Bridge : 10DE:01E0.A2 [NVIDIA nForce2]
South Bridge : 10DE:01EB.A2 [NVIDIA nForce2 MCP]
VGA Device : 10DE:0332.A1 [NVIDIA GeForce FX 5900XT]
Memory Size : 1024M Byte
Memory Clock : ----

OS Version : Windows XP Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2


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 04/15/2005 06:05 PM
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I usually touch the flatest part of the heatsink about 1/3 up from the base.

If it's bareable to the touch it should feel about as warm as putting your hand in your armpit for a while, yeah I know that's not scientific but it's about as close to the temperature you'll want it to be, body temp is ~37-low 40's *C.

Naturally the further up the side of the heatsink you go the cooler the heatsink will be.

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