Well, the moral of the story is, if you fell something in your gut telling you not to buy it, don't buy it. After a little more sleuthing I detected the AMI CMOS on the MSI was written slightly before the Mesozoic era and after trying to (silly me) flash it up to the correct (according to the MSI web site) version, it's now a flat &^%$#$ POS paperweight. I swore I'd never get another MSI the last time this stupid kind of picciune stuff happened, and now I've hired a little mini-me to follow me around to kick me in the a** the next time I even *think* about getting anything with MSI in the title. It'd be quicker this way then letting MSI do it. (Plus it would have to be more fun!