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 10/04/2010 05:02 PM
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What system would you recommend or build for a small business that mostly uses software like the new Adobe Creative Suite 5. Loads of photo shop, Office 2010. We also make our own videos too so we do some minor video editing and music creation. We do work other heavy software programs too. We do loads of large file uploads too. So, a huge bandwidth would be sweet.

Would a quad-core be fine or is a 6-core better for that stuff? What RAM, Motherboard and hard drive would you select? Something easily upgradable would be sweet too - that's why I like the AM3.

Time is money for us so, I need a system that minimizes compatibility issues and can just FLY through the most demanding projects.
 10/04/2010 06:20 PM
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List your Budget and the parts needed and not needed (including OS, KB, mouse, monitor and speakers)

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 10/05/2010 02:06 PM
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I need a new tower and everything inside it. I have a new monitor. I'm giving this tower to the kid.

I was considering using Windows XP again - haven't decided if I really need to make the switch to Windows 7 yet. I'm unclear if it's worth the learning curve & if W 7 is really all its cracked up to be? I don't want all those processes running constantly in the back ground that I just don't need running. I could use a new keyboard/mouse but I can get by without it.

We are not gamers - not on the PC anyway. Do I really need a GPU or will onboard video work just fine for me - if so, which mobo would you say has the best onboard video?

I'm trying to get the best system I can for the best price. I was trying to stay between a $500 to $800 range. Going with an AMD CPU certainly saves a good chunk of $. Is a quad-core all I need or is a 6-core better?

I was also wondering if it's worth waiting until next year when more Light Peak Technology will be available? I was thinking of buying a new tower at around Xmas time to get the best deal. Any thoughts? I was considering getting a refurbished system from some place like Best Buy - is this a good or bad Idea? I just wanted to make sure I got some kind of warranty. What is the best between HP, Dell etc?

Or I could just buy everything from Newegg?

* added edit:

I'm also trying to keep energy consumption to a minimum since costs will continue to rise. That's why I don't want a GPU - I don't want to a 1,000 watt power supply if I can get out of it. I'm for "smart" energy use.

Edited: 10/05/2010 at 04:18 PM by zeus33
 10/05/2010 06:17 PM
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I just have to say
Go with Win 7!! It blows XP out of the water and distory's vista hands down. and theres not much of learning curve either.

Also I would stay away from refurbished systems. you' ll realy never know what your realy getting and with your budget you can build your self a nice system.

Now the down side of building your own rig is that you won't have a warranty But you'll know each and every part that went in to your system and most of those parts will have warrantys of thay'er own. Plus it more fun

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 10/05/2010 06:46 PM
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So this includes Win7 and should easily handle all your needs

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 10/06/2010 12:25 PM
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SlayerX "Go with Win 7!! It blows XP out of the water"

How so, is there a link I can read specifically about that? Besides being new what's so much better about it that will actually make a difference for me?

SlayerX "stay away from refurbished systems"

Why? I've been told that it's a great way to get a system that's had triple inspection and comes with a 20% to 30% discount and a warranty, right? I just want to get to the bottom of your points.
 10/06/2010 12:25 PM
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Thanks for that list, QB the Slayer. That's pretty much along the lines for what I was thinking. So, it's good to have some confirmation.
 10/06/2010 12:43 PM
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Take it from a guy who does not move to a new OS easily, Win7 is awesome!... I did not move to XP until SP2 was already out! I skipped Vista entirely!... There are ways to make your Win7 experience as close to XP as possible, plus you get all the good stuff Win7 has to offer.

Stay away from refurbished systems. You never know how long it will last. Too many things can go wrong. A refurbished camera is different, it is one part. An entire system is composed of many parts. Buy new, it is not expensive as my above example pointed out.

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 10/07/2010 06:03 PM
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I believe XP will no longer be supported in 2012.
Hands down, Windows 7, Vista is a piece of crapola.
The advantages & features are numerous, let alone the ultra fast boot & shutdown times.

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 10/10/2010 01:35 PM
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"XP will no longer be supported in 2012"

Is this true???

I heard so many horror stories about Vista that I never tried it. And, I'm glad I didn't waste my time on it. From what I understand, Windows 7 is what Vista was SUPPOSE to be.

Does Windows 7 take full advantage of 6-core CPU's? What about the new 12-core? And what about all those background processes running in Win 7 that don't need to be? I've heard that you can't turn them off like we could with XP to save system resources? And because of that, I'm now wondering if 4g of RAM will be enough? Adobe CS5 requires 2g minimum:

"2GB of RAM (4GB or more recommended)"
http://www.adobe.com/products/...ere/systemreqs/


Adobe CS5 also recommends a GPU, "GeForce GTX 285" or better. Will on-board mobo video suffice?

Light Peak isn't fully out yet so, I wonder, is there a Mobo out there that is Light Peak ready, so to speak? Or is it best to stick with USB 3.0?

Edited: 10/10/2010 at 01:53 PM by zeus33
 10/12/2010 07:29 AM
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XP was introduced in 2001, so the fact that it's been supported for this long is astonishing.

4gb (or more) of RAM is recommended because CS5 requires a 64-bit operating system. Because of the 64-bit OS requirement, you will not be able to stay with Windows XP home edition and Windows XP Professional 64-bit was never supported all that well. Windows 7 64-bit is your only real option.

and you don't have to have a GTX285, if the onboard video is OpenGL 2.0 compatible, you're OK, but you may want to buy a discrete video card. The GTX 285 and other higher-end gpu's are listed because they are capable of GPU acceleration

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 10/17/2010 01:05 PM
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I am wondering if the new PCI Express 3.0 (or anything else) are worth waiting for? Are there any good reasons that would justify waiting for these or anything new that won't be out until next year?

PCI Express 3.0: On Motherboards By This Time Next Year?
http://www.tomshardware.com/re...3.0-pci-sig,2695.html

I will be trying to get onboard video for now so, I am unclear how this new PCI 3.0 will even effect me? But, if I need it down the road I wanna make sure it's there.

Are any of the new USB 3.0 gadgets worth getting?

5 Next-Gen USB 3.0 Devices
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/US...peed,review-1587.html


And, is the AMD Phenom II X6 1090T that much better than the 1055T? I have no intention of over clocking anything - I want this new build to have the maximum life span possible.
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Last I read....

Microsoft will stop security patches for Windows XP(SP3) on April 08,2014.

Support for Windows XP(SP2) and all versions of Windows 2000 ended July 13 2010.

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 10/22/2010 06:29 PM
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I am wondering if the new PCI Express 3.0 is worth waiting for?
 10/22/2010 08:20 PM
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pci-e 2.1 is 3.0 ready

PCI Express 2.1 supports a large proportion of the management, support, and troubleshooting systems planned to be fully implemented in PCI Express 3.0. However, the speed is the same as PCI Express 2.0. Most motherboards sold currently come with PCI Express 2.0 connectors

the speed of 3.0 is supposed to be double we will see

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I'm just not seeing very many MoBo's with PCI Express 2.1. - maybe they're waiting for PCI Express 3.0 as well??? Still, is it worth waiting for until what this time next year?

Is the AMD "Dragon platform" still the latest or will there be something new out by Xmas time?
 11/15/2010 11:53 AM
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Are 6-core CPU's really that much better than 4-core? What are the clear pros & cons?

How do I find out if the system I'm considering building is compatible and getting full potential out of the Mobo, CPU, RAM & HD ?

Edited: 11/15/2010 at 12:20 PM by zeus33
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A local computer shop has offered this for me - what do you think?

CPU: AMD x4 635
Mobo: Gigabyte 880GM-UD2H A3/4D3/OV/6S/M
RAM: Mushkin ES DDR3 2g 10666
HD: WD Caviar green 800g S-2 64m
PSU: Kingwin ABT-450w
GPU: Gigabyte 5570

I don't have to have the very latest pc but I don't want my pc to be outdated in just a few months. I thought I'd want at least 1600 RAM and a Phenom II X6 1090T. Is this a decent system that will last/ keep up with new software like the Adobe CS5 or no? They are going to charge $800 for the entire system (with case, OS, DVD & build. I could build it myself & save about $200.

Any thoughts?
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You don't really need a monster machine to get the best out of CS5.

One thing you do need though is a lot of RAM. Working with pictures, video and DTP is very memory intense and 2 GB will not cut it. If you don't have enough ram it doesn't matter if you have the fastest possible CPU, the system will be sluggish and hard to work with anyway.

That CPU will do just fine, as will the rest except for the memory. You need at least 4 GB, 8GB would be preferred really.

Windows 7 64 bit is the only way to go as well. I saw someone suggested the Professional version. I don't see why really. The only two major differences between Professional and Home Premium are encryption and XP mode. XP mode is not that useful, only for applications that won't work in windows 7. Games (if you'd ever wanted to try gaming on it) will not work in XP mode. Encryption is something you can get for free and a better one at that. Truecrypt as an example.

So, I think you can save a few bucks and get Home Premium instead of Professional as long as it is 64-bit.

If that price is ok or not I leave to others to say. Sounds expensive to me but I really don't know the prices over on that side of the pond.

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Oh, and if you can save as much as $200 building it yourself than do so. It's not difficult at all to build a computer these days.

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