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 10/19/2008 01:36 PM
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like I said I'll be the happiest most when gigabyte releases a bios update for my m57sli-s4 for the lowest end deneb
 10/19/2008 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by: Savage Duke

LoL.. I don't blame ya...



I am not that thrilled with the Memory kits that are available right now...



It SEEMS to me that DDR2 is being swept out of the room as rapidly as possible... Yet DDR3 is being injected into the space, with none of the performance gains you would expect for the price.



Sigh..



I am half tempted to purchase TODAY.. but I want Deneb, so I might as well wait.

Now is the best time to get at least 8GB of DDR2-1066 ram for an awesome cheap price. DDR3 is way overpriced with no performance gains to justify that high price.

It's DDR2 for me

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 10/31/2008 02:45 AM
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http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/c...n_Full_Production.html

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 11/15/2008 02:34 PM
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http://global.msi.com.tw/html/.../MB/45nm/en/index.html

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 11/17/2008 09:04 PM
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Yep, MSI is ready. Just waiting for AMD now.

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 11/18/2008 02:00 AM
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ASUS to
http://event.asus.com/mb/AM3_CPU_Support/

cant wait for Gigabyte

i think they mean
stop making AM2/AM2+ chipsets and only do AM3 chipset in 2009+

so AM3 ready AM2/AM2+ boards now will work with AM3 CPUs

this is good news
 11/18/2008 08:54 AM
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G's just checked Gigabyte and nothing for 790FX boards yet. There's a little comfort for Liquorice.

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 11/18/2008 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by: Hardwood

G's just checked Gigabyte and nothing for 790FX boards yet. There's a little comfort for Liquorice. [IMG][/IMG]


I seriously doubt that the DS5 or even the DQ6 will be able to handle those CPU's.

I don't need any comfort though. I got my RMA and the day I bought this Asus board the price dropped with almost 20% so I only had to spend about $7 more than the refund for what the GB board cost me.. so, I'm all happy!

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 11/19/2008 08:28 AM
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Originally posted by: Liqourice

I seriously doubt that the DS5 or even the DQ6 will be able to handle those CPU's.



Bah!! Oh yee of little faith.

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 11/20/2008 12:25 AM
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list of gigabytes 45nm deneb AM2+/AM3 supported boards
http://www.techpowerup.com/766..._AM2+_Processors.html

i run a Phenom 9850 on my DS5
want proof?
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=446599

i have evne goten it to 2.9ghz, but not stable, deneb should do wonders to it
 11/20/2008 01:14 AM
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Gigabyte oficial info: http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/New..._List.aspx?NewsID=1423

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 11/20/2008 08:09 AM
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Whoo hoo!!!
thanks for the heads up guys, I'll repost this at game.amd

/double checks list for holiday season spending.

Now we just need prices.

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 11/21/2008 02:30 PM
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Hi, I've just flashed my board to the latest bios which according to gigabyte will run the new Phenoms. My old bios was f5c and now it's just F5 and according to the web site it was actually posted up 30/10/08!

I'm really hoping tha AMD will do the same with this chip release as they did with the graphic cards. Namely undercut the competition by a mile! Prices for the 'Opterons' have started to appear:

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=355234

although how this relates to the desktop version I'm unsure... I'm just hoping come January I can afford a 3GHz quad Phenom to replace my slightly aging (lol) 6400+

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 11/25/2008 04:45 AM
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Yes, your board only requires a Bios upgrade. Here's the link:
http://global.msi.com.tw/html/...MB/45nm/en/index.html
Hope this helps.
P.S. You will want to upgrade your board , because it has DDR2 not DDR3 sockets.
 11/25/2008 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by: Super XP

Originally posted by: Savage Duke



LoL.. I don't blame ya...







I am not that thrilled with the Memory kits that are available right now...







It SEEMS to me that DDR2 is being swept out of the room as rapidly as possible... Yet DDR3 is being injected into the space, with none of the performance gains you would expect for the price.







Sigh..







I am half tempted to purchase TODAY.. but I want Deneb, so I might as well wait.


Now is the best time to get at least 8GB of DDR2-1066 ram for an awesome cheap price. DDR3 is way overpriced with no performance gains to justify that high price.



It's DDR2 for me


It'll be a long time before I upgrade to DDR3..

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GA-MA790X-DS4 (F5 Bios)
3GB XMS2 DDR2 800
ATI HD 4870 512MB
160GB RAID 0
S/B AUDIGY
HIPER 'R' 530W
VISTA HOME SP2
 11/25/2008 07:35 PM
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Some prices have appeared:

http://www.austin.net.au/Produ...nom%20II/Default.aspx

In case your wondering:

500 Australian dollars=£215 or $320

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 12/07/2008 01:39 PM
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Shanghai: AMD Gets Back To Business
by Chris Angelini, Reseller Advocate Magazine

Whatever your past preconceptions about AMD's Barcelona architecture and its corresponding Opteron and Phenom launches, put them aside. This is a new day, and the sun is rising over Shanghai, Barcelona's successor, months ahead of schedule. The good parts of Barcelona have been improved. Barcelona's faults have been remedied. Shanghai is the value-packed option your customers need to be evaluating, and here are three reasons why:
AMD Gets A Shrink:
We all know that a processor fab costs about as much as a small island in the Bahamas, so when a company like AMD needs to step from the 65nm node down to 45nm, the question is how can it be done in a way that maximizes investment return beyond the 45nm node. The answer was immersion lithography, which AMD feels is "essential" to 32nm production. Immersion lithography uses a layer of water resting between the etching laser and the wafer dye to refract the light beam by another 40% or so, making feature sizes smaller so more circuits can be fit on each die.
Value the Core:
On AMD's new 45nm Shanghai processor, a lot of the space is now given to additional cache circuitry.
This was the key to coverting 65nm Barcelona into 45nm Shanghai. The processor still features four unified cores, AMD's wide floating-point accelerator, Barcelona's three-level Balanced Smart Cache, an integrated DDR2 memory controller (now updated from 667 to 800 MHz), AMD-V virtualization optimizations, and all the rest. In the first half of next year, we'll see the Barcelona's HyperTransport 1.0 (8 GB/sec) links become HyperTransport 3.0 (17.6 GB/sec) in post-launch Shanghai SKUs.
But the node shrink had two critical results. First, with shorter signal distances, Shanghai consumes less power. Second, node shrinks inevitably lead to greater frequency overhead. Whereas Barcelona peaked at 2.5 GHz, Shanghai will launch with frequencies up to 3.0 GHz. So in the tug-o'-war between energy savings and blistering speed, AMD sought to aim Shanghai right down the middle and deliver the best of both worlds.
The power story improves:
AMD credits the 45nm shrink with giving Shanghai a 35% lower idle power than Barcelona. On top of this, Shanghai shaves off up to 21% of its power consumption with a new feature called Smart Fetch:
By migrating L1 and L2 cache contents into the shared L3, Shanghai's Smart Fetch feature lets idle cores save additional power.

You'll recall that Barcelona's Balanced Smart Cache gave each core its own 128KB of L1 and 512KB of L2, then featured a 2MB L3 that was shared between all four cores. AMD uses 45nm production to double Shanghai's L3 size(4MB). Not only does this improve system performance, as you'd expect from a larger cache, but it helps with power savings. Now, when a Shanghai processor determines that one of its cores can power down and enter a "halt" state, it flushes the contents of its L1 and L2 caches out to the shared L3. This way, when the core's caches need searching by other cores, they can do without having to wake up the processing unit. According to AMD, there's zero impact on application performance.
Price and Performance:
How does Shanghai hold up on benchmarks? Obviously, the answer is going to depend on which applications are being run, and all the caveats about synthetic tests not mirroring real-world conditions still apply. That said, AMD released a collection of internally-run benchmarks comparing Shanghai (2.7 GHz Model 2384) against both Barcelona (2.3 GHz Model 2356) as well as Intel's Xeon E5472 (3.0 GHz "Harpertown"). Opteron has traditionally held a firm advantage in floating point and memory bandwidth tests, and Shanghai continues this. SPECfp_rate2006 shows Barcelona and the Xeon running neck and neck but Shanghai pulling ahead by over 30 percent. On memory bandwidth, Shanghai score nearly doubles the Intel part.
Sweet Numbers:
Even when outnumbered on cores, AMD's Shanghai holds its own on performance against Intel and comes out more affordable to boot.
In other cases, as with SPECint_rate2006 on a four-socket setup, with the 2.7 GHz Shanghai squaring off against the six-core Xeon E7450 "Dunnington" (2.4 GHz), AMD manages nearly the same performance results with two fewer cores and a roughly $150 price advantage. For Java server performance, SPECjbb2005 for four-socket servers shows the 2.7 GHz Shanghai womping the 2.66 GHz Dunnington (X7460) by 24% while still costing nearly $600 less per processor.

We don't expect AMD to win every benchmark battle with Intel, and Nehalem, once it arrives in the server space, will skew comparisons again. But the fact remains that Shanghai offers some exceptional value today and will continue to offer persuasive value in many niches as the months go on. In 1,000-lot pricing, AMD expects the 2.5 GHz Shanghai parts to sell at about parity with where 2.3 GHz Barcelona SKUs were prior to November. The company is serious about moving product and recapturing market share. Take advantage of AMD's technical advances and motivation to sell, and start seeing where Shanghai makes sense among your customer base today.
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