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Topic Title: Phenom 9600 running too hot
Topic Summary: Can't cool down with even a retail cooler.
Created On: 06/12/2008 03:03 AM
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 06/12/2008 03:03 AM
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Gripen90
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Okay I guess it's my turn now.

I just build me a HTPC/Lanbox machine.
Thermaltake LANBOX Lite VF6000BNS
Corsair VX450 Power Supply
Kingston Value PC6400 Ram CL5, 2x1GB & 1x1GB
Club 3D Radeon HD3850 ZeroTherm Overclocked Edition, 512MB, Ram, 720MHz core / 1800MHz memory
Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H AM2+
AMD X4 Phenom 9600 PiB, 2.3GHz, Quad-core
LiteOn LH-20A1S 15C DVD-RW+/-, Sata, Black
Seagate Barracuda 400GB, 16mb cache, 7200rpm, SATA-II
Windows Vista Premium 64bit SP1.


I had the ordinary box cooler installed on my Phenom X4 9600 and with GPU-Z Hardware Monitor (and Gigabyte Easy Tune 5 Pro) I checked the temperatures. Idle was around 41*c (degrees celcius) and about 38*c on all 4 cores, after running 3Dmark06 and a couple of Super_Pi runs the temperature was about 47*c and 44*c on all 4 cores.
However the box cooler went noisy and the temperatures went up so I wanted a better cooler for my little machine.
(The little weak and noisy box-cooler http://i95.photobucket.com/alb...en90/IMG_2456Large.jpg )

I then replaced the boxcooler with a new Scythe Shuriken cooler and I applied some arctic silver 5 cooling paste and made sure the cooler said firmly on the CPU.
(Scythe Shuriken installed, more rare than pretty http://i95.photobucket.com/alb...en90/IMG_2494Large.jpg )

I then turned on my PC and let it idle for about 15min before checking the temperature. Chockingly the idle temperature had not changed at all ! I was still 41*c idle and 38*c on all 4 cores - that eventhough its a larger cooler with a bigger fan although running slower and much more silent.
Hmm could that really be true ? so I downloaded the test program OCCT which stresses all cores to the max and after only 10min temperatures went skyhigh ! 72*c and 66*c on the 4 cores - I dare thinking what the temperatures would have been like with the box-cooler.

I then turn off the PC and go to check that the CPU-coolers had contact with the CPU. Is the cooler hot ? Oh yes it was very hot ! no doubt about it, the Shuriken had contact with the CPU and sucking op the heat !
I then decide to go against the installation manual regarding the Power Supply in my Thermaltake Lanbox case, so from a position where it sucked in cold air because it was laying belly up it turned it around so it would suck in hot air from the case and spew it out. Also I try to get the cables out of the way so theres plenty of air around the Shuriken.
(Cables put away in the best possible way
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http://i95.photobucket.com/alb...en90/IMG_2499Large.jpg )

I then boot up my PC again and runs OCCT. After 15min the temperature is stable on 69*c and all 4 core 61*c. Idle is now 38*c and the 4 cores 34*c.
It's better temperatures now but still hot.
All in all I'm a bit dissapointed with the Scythe Shuriken for HTPC system eventhough is marketed for those.

So when you want to get your max temperature, then run OCCT for at least 15min !

I'm not sure what to do... either fin yet another CPU-cooler or dtich the Phenom all together and get a cooler AMD 64 X2 5000+ Black Edition like my littlebrother has.

Edited: 06/18/2008 at 02:47 PM by Gripen90
 06/12/2008 03:22 AM
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Welcome to the forum!

First I would check the CPU voltage, if it set to auto the set it to the correct voltage manually.

If that makes no difference then I would try doing the thermal paste again

Good luck!!

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 06/12/2008 03:29 AM
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""All in all I'm a bit dissapointed with the Scythe Shuriken for HTPC system eventhough is marketed for those. ""

When I checked out my distributor this cooler was not listed as being for the Phenom.
It also said there was an optional fan, did you install the fan as well?

They list this one as being for the Phenom

I have one friend that has this cooler and he is very impressed with it's performance.
http://www.memoryexpress.com/P...s/PID-MX20616(ME).aspx

(If you can get it to fit in your case!!)

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 06/12/2008 03:38 AM
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I would for sure put a fan on it.
Scythe has low speed 1200rpm fluid dynamic bearing fans that will mount on that and be virtually silent.

That is a must in my opinion...


Good luck

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 06/12/2008 03:38 AM
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Thank you for welcoming

Well the CPU voltage is 1.26v according to CPU-Z eventhough in BIOS it says 1.200v

Also finding a CPU-cooler for a Phenom is near impossible since manufacturers only list AM2 support aka A64 X2/FX etc.

http://www.scythe-usa.com/prod...4/scsk1000_detail.html here they say phenom support

while here they never mention it Scythe Shuriken
The cooler didn't come with an extra fan. Optionally you can buy a normal 2.5cm tall 92mm and mount on the heatsink.

As for cooling paste I regulary build and upgrade systems so I know how much/litte thermal paste to apply and spread out on the heatspreader. I gave it a thin layer of Arctic Silver 5 - much thinner than what the stock AMD Box-cooler had as preapplied thermal paste
It's my first system I ever experienced running so hot.

I also updated my bios from F2 to the latest F4 to see if that made any difference, but it didn't.

Edited: 06/12/2008 at 03:51 AM by Gripen90
 06/12/2008 03:41 AM
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That was weird...

I read your reply about not having a fan on it so I replied to it and for some reason my reply is above your post telling me you did not have a fan
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And, you are very welcome!!



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 06/12/2008 03:46 AM
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Originally posted by: geezer_wheelz

I would for sure put a fan on it.

Scythe has low speed 1200rpm fluid dynamic bearing fans that will mount on that and be virtually silent.



That is a must in my opinion...





Good luck



Unfortynately the Scythe OROCHI 10 is too high. I only have about 13cm height clearance.

Hmm the Scythe Shuriken does have an slim 100m fan as you can see in my 1st link
 06/12/2008 03:50 AM
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My mistake,sorry, I missed that link, the 2 below it did not work either btw.

Well I would say that the one you have now only has 3 heatpipes, they do make some with more heatpipes, which would be better

The Ninja Rev B has 6 pipes, but I am not sure how it would work on a phenom, on my 5200 it keeps me in the high 40°C after running OCCT, and I am overclocked big time...

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 06/12/2008 04:00 AM
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Check your private messages at the top left of the page....

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 06/12/2008 04:13 AM
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Originally posted by: geezer_wheelz

My mistake,sorry, I missed that link, the 2 below it did not work either btw.



Well I would say that the one you have now only has 3 heatpipes, they do make some with more heatpipes, which would be better



The Ninja Rev B has 6 pipes, but I am not sure how it would work on a phenom, on my 5200 it keeps me in the high 40°C after running OCCT, and I am overclocked big time...


Yea pic's should be fixed now .
The Shuriken has 3 pipes on each sides so also 6 in total. For my brother I build a system with AMD 64 X2 5000+ Black Edition and I overclocked it to 3Ghz and with an Arctic Cooling Freezer 64Pro max load under OCCT remains at 49*c. But then again its a tall cooler and he uses a miditower case.

I wonder if I should have sticked to my 1st plan and tried Zalman CNPS8700 LED on the Phenom.
 06/18/2008 02:43 PM
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okay after long time of waiting and getting sent the wrong cooler from the retailer.

I replaced the slim 100mm with the Arctic Cooling 92mm PWM fan. Now the PC is much quieter, and the temperture dropped to 65*c load at 1.31v core which OCCT for some weird reason increases it to instead of the original 1.23v-core.

Also i replaced the Zerotherm cooler on my HD3850 with Zalman VF900Cu, now there's much less noise.

Although the HTPC didn't get much cooler it certainly got quiter.
http://i95.photobucket.com/alb...en90/IMG_2501Large.jpg

Edited: 06/18/2008 at 03:16 PM by Gripen90
 06/20/2008 11:05 AM
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I went to the AMD list for APPROVED coolers for my Phenom 9600 OEM and bought a Thermaltake CL-P0075 which is fairly heavy and not very expensive ( I think it was around $27 @ newegg) my idle temps are between 22 -30 and MAX out at 46C all depending on Ambient temp of course. I know it isn't the BEST but for the price It is wonderful! I debated on the 9700, Tuniq Tower or even the Nirvana but was not sure if they would fit in my case, I also left the existing thermal pad on the cooler just to see how it worked before AS5, I haven't really thought it needed it. BTW I am using it to crunch DATA for SETI so all cores are churning along at 100% all the time right now I am at 42C but as the day warms up I am certain it will go at least a degree or two more. I hope this info helps someone. I know I was quite shocked to see it do such a good job, I think I may need to order another one for my Sempron 3400+ 2 Ghz that is running somewhere in the low 50s. I have been waiting though trying to decide if I wanted to try one of the others and move the Thermaltake to it. I really have been AMAZED at how such a cheap aftermarket cooler could make such a difference in the temps after looking around other posts at what the stock cooler was doing.

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just built- Phenom 9600 OEM, ECS GeForce6100PM-M2 V 2.0, Crucial Ballistic Tracer(2x1)GB DDR2 800 Ram, Thermaltake CL-P0075 cooler, Rosewill TU55 case w/400 W ATX12V v2.2 Power supply ,Liteon DVD burner, XP Pro SP3

current -old eMachines T3410 (AMD 3200 sempron 2Ghz 1.5GB DDR400 Ram blah blah *Mutant OS XP prome SP2*)
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I use the Phenom x4 9600+, stock cooler, huge case and tons of discs. Even when compiling large sources with all four cores I never reach above 55 degrees. Idle = 45-50 degrees which is acceptable imo.

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