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 01/18/2006 09:12 PM
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Well, i've read the differences between those processors, but i still have questions.
I wanna a notebook with one of those procs, but i'll use it for programming(Visual Studio) and maybe using linux, so which one would you recommend me, and why.

should i go for a Turin 64 ML-40 or for a Athlon 64 4000+???
 01/19/2006 04:27 AM
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QUOTE(4nDr3s @ Jan 19 2006, 03:12 AM)Well, i've read the differences between those processors, but i still have questions.
I wanna a notebook with one of those procs, but i'll use it for programming(Visual Studio) and maybe using linux, so which one would you recommend me, and why.

should i go for a Turin 64 ML-40 or for a Athlon 64 4000+???
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Hi there.

I would definetly go with the Turion 64 as is uses less power and is more heat effectient although it is probably more expensive.

Th Athlon 64 is really good , but presents a heating issue and also sucks all the juice out. /excl.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='excl.gif' />

So , go with the Turion 64 as this is by far the best option.

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So what u saying is that the turion is a better procesor than the athlon.
But if i compare the processing speed of centrino vs a pentium 4, the pentium 4 is way better than the centrino, and its more powerfull because centrino has less processing speed. so what i wanna know is that if turion 64 has the same difference of powerfullness than the athlon 64, or if the difference just is the less power consuption and is more heat effectient or there's any other difference.

And for example athlon 64 allows me to use 2gb of Ram, and turion 64 just 1gb of ram ddr2 memory, so ...help me decide!!1
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QUOTE(4nDr3s @ Jan 19 2006, 04:36 PM)So what u saying is that the turion is a better procesor than the athlon.
But if i compare the processing speed of centrino vs a pentium 4, the pentium 4 is way better than the centrino, and its more powerfull because centrino has less processing speed. so what i wanna know is that if turion 64 has the same difference of powerfullness than the athlon 64, or if the difference just is the  less power consuption and is more heat effectient or there's any other difference.

And for example athlon 64 allows me to use 2gb of Ram, and turion 64 just 1gb of ram ddr2 memory, so ...help me decide!!1
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Well, you're completely wrong about the P4 vs PM processors...but that's a discussion for another forum... /tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' />

Turion usually runs at a lower supply voltage than a Mobile Athlon 64, thus lower power dissipation in the form of heat. At a given frequency, the performance of a Turion, whether an MT-xx or an ML-xx or a Mobile Athlon 64 (754) will be the same.

Also, BOTH the Turion and Mobile Athlon 64 can support 2 GB DDR RAM, not DDR2 (at least not yet).

Turion's and Mobile Athlon 64's start their life out on the same wafer...



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 01/19/2006 08:56 PM
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I would go with whatever your needs are an whatever the best deal is. The 4000+ is 2.6GHZ where as the ML-40 is 2.2; Youll have a slight performance increas of the 4000+ because of the higher clock speed. Also keep in mind though that the A64 4000+ does not support the SSE3 instruction set as the Turions do, not sure what kind of performance diff there actually is. If heat and slightly shorter battery life do not bother you, and you want the fstest processor, go for the 4000+. or you can get asystem with the ML44 which is 2.4GHZ. Also keep in mind that prebuilt systems like HP, Gateway, Etc only offer the X200/300 graphics for the Turions as the A64's can have the X600 graphics. Another option that Im thinking about is to get a MSI barebone system with the X700 Graphics and Turion Processor, Either the MT40 or MT44. Otherwise youll have to spend probably over 2 grand for a custom lappy from someone. Right now you can get agteway with the X600 and 4000+ for $1200, 15.4" monitor; thats a good deal. Thats probably about the same for a ML/MT 40 base turion lappy as well, but you get less speed and less grphics. No matter what processor, clock speed is where the performance is at along with hard drive speed/rpm and ram speed and amount.

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QUOTE(INFRNL @ Jan 19 2006, 07:56 PM)I would go with whatever your needs are an whatever the best deal is. The 4000+ is 2.6GHZ where as the ML-40 is 2.2; Youll have a slight performance increas of the 4000+ because of the higher clock speed. Also keep in mind though that the A64 4000+ does not support the SSE3 instruction set as the Turions do, not sure what kind of performance diff there actually is. If heat and slightly shorter battery life do not bother you, and you want the fstest processor, go for the 4000+. or you can get asystem with the ML44 which is 2.4GHZ. Also keep in mind that prebuilt systems like HP, Gateway, Etc only offer the X200/300 graphics for the Turions as the A64's can have the X600 graphics. Another option that Im thinking about is to get a MSI barebone system with the X700 Graphics and Turion Processor, Either the MT40 or MT44. Otherwise youll have to spend probably over 2 grand for a custom lappy from someone. Right now you can get agteway with the X600 and 4000+ for $1200, 15.4" monitor; thats a good deal. Thats probably about the same for a ML/MT 40 base turion lappy as well, but you get less speed and less grphics. No matter what processor, clock speed is where the performance is at along with hard drive speed/rpm and ram speed and amount.

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Youre wrong about the 4000+ not having sse3.. I have a Mobile A64 4000+, and cpuz reports it as supporting SSE3, as dose its spec if u look it up somewhere.
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Ill have to check on that; I just read somewhere yesterday that the Mobile A64 processors do not support SSE3 instructions. If I am wrong then Im sorry I posted that info

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 01/20/2006 07:28 PM
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So basically turion 64 is the same thing as athlon 64, but it justs consumes less power energy and thats it, runs as the same speed and so on..?. So either of those would be fine.
and where can i cuzstomize a notebook with 2gb ram and X600 graphics
 01/21/2006 12:26 AM
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The only one I can think of that is at a halfway reasonable price is a MSI barebone. 15.4" at approx $1500-$1600 depending on options, could be more, 17" @ approx $1600-$1800 or more. You can either do a search or go to the MSI site: http://www.msicomputer.com/NB/index.asp' ">http://www.msicomputer.com/NB/index.asp.
here they have a few links to places that sell the barebones with options for upgrades. I would personally find a barebone only and buy your own items through newegg. itll save you moneyt and youll get exactly what you want.

or if money is no object look somewhere like alienware, widow pc, or other custom laptop site. there you can have anything you want, and I mean everything. we're talking about desktop cpu laptops, sata hard drives, up to 7800GTX or X1800/1900 graphics, but Im sure batterylife will be approx 1 hour with options like these.
right now Bestbuy has a gateway with a 4000+ processor, 15.4" for $1200. if you want to upgrade; then just take out the hard drive and ram and replace with whatever you want. turn around and sell other HDD & ram and you have just upgraded to your specs and got money back. so at the end mnaybe you spent a $100 more depending on what HDD and ram you get. You can get 2GB DDR400 for $260 and a 7200rpm 100GB HDD for $150 or so. This gateway also has the x600 graphics. Oh i just remebered; this model can only support a gig and a half or ram, but you really shoulnd need more than that.

or get the MSI with X700 graphics and if you look in the right places you can get the good hardware for it thought them, or just get the barebone and build it yourself; which only involes installing CPU, Ram , & HDD. anyone can do that. MSI's come with one year warranties and can be upgraded just as anyone else, minus accidental ins.

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So will you recommend me to buy a MSI barebone?? or i should better buy a brand computer??
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Me personally; I have heard many good things about the MSI barebone systems; and I would depending on options wanted, would either buy the barebone by itself and install CPU,ram, & HDD of choice. I would personally get the ML or MT 40 (2.2GHZ) CPU. buying an MSI or major brand is up to you. The MSI's come with a 1 yr warranty and can be upgraded to 3 yrs I believe, then the installed components have their own warrany as well. some of the builders may offer their own warranties too.

1st thing to decide is if you want a 15.4" or 17". sometimes the major brands have really good deals on the 15.4" laptops. there are so many variables to think about. I would love to have an MSI, but do not have that much money, so my personal alternative is to buy a HP with the basic components and gradually upgrade to what I want and still come out a little less than the MSI; the only downfall to this is that the HP's only have the integrated but 128mb dedicated graphics. Although I went to comp usa today to look between the AMD w/ati express 200m compared to the intel ati x600 and actually liked the AMD better. I didnt get to play any games on it but they are supposed to be designed for good gaming performance even with the newest games. I do know that the picture quality was a lot nicer than the intel HP with x600, but that may have something to do with the actual LCD, im not sure. But being that I probably wont be playing a whole lot of HD games on the laptop, its really not an issue. Thats what my desktop system is for. another thing I like about the HP is that its a lot nicer looking than the MSI(cosmetically) but that may not be of importance to others. Basically if you built an HP and the MSI Identically and graphics being the only difference, the MSI comes out to be approx $1-200 more I think is what I calculated. So to me lets say $150; I dont know that the x700 is worth that price. But either way I would recommend either route. There is a guy on ebay selling the MSI customizable and has nothing but good words about them, but his prices are a little high.

I dont know if you went here yet or not but go under the MS-1029 and go to the site links of places that sell these and you can see if you like any of the places and pricing. http://www.msicomputer.com/NB/index.asp' ">http://www.msicomputer.com/NB/index.asp

I have also found a site selling the MS-1036 barebone for $1062, which is the lowest I could find.http://acool.com/searchresult.asp?CartId={CAF315A2-1C64-4C6D-B8B4-07EVEREST988F021DC5}

If you want a killer machine and have the money; you can either get an Alienware or Sager laptop too. These use up to a 7800GTX and some have up to X-1800's I believe, use sata hDD's, raid, Desktop cpus, dual optical drives, some use 9700/9800 mobiility cards. these start at approx $2000 and go up from there. Its worth looking into. If I had the money I would easily pay $2500 for one of these compared to The MSI with X700. These will compete with desktop systems to an extent.

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OK allruight then. So ill go for a msi barebone
thanks for the help
u've been really helpfull
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Hey no problem; I try to help out as much as I can hoping to get the same in return when I need help.

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INFRNL:..."Also keep in mind that prebuilt systems like HP, Gateway, Etc only offer the X200/300 graphics for the Turions as the A64's can have the X600 graphics."...

I have an ACER TRAVELMATE 4402WLMI... TurionML30 (only 1.6ghz, I know) but it has an ATIX700 gpu! I am quite satisfied.
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Thanks,
Ive come to realize that. The crappy thing is that with HP, Gateway, & Dell; they offer X600 for Intel, Whats the deal with that. Unfortunately My wife says i have to wait a few months before I can buy a lappy. Also I looked into the Acer and didnt like them cosmetically as much as others but they do have a really nice picture, Another thing is that I think I want a 17" and Acer does not offer one with a Turion or A64. One last thing Id like to mention is that the X200/300's really dont seem bad especially for my application and the X200 in the HP seemed to actually have a better picture than The Intel with the X600, although I know in my head that shouldnt be possible since the X600 is supposed to be quite a but better.

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Originally posted by: INFRNL
I would go with whatever your needs are an whatever the best deal is. The 4000+ is 2.6GHZ where as the ML-40 is 2.2; Youll have a slight performance increas of the 4000+ because of the higher clock speed. Also keep in mind though that the A64 4000+ does not support the SSE3 instruction set as the Turions do, not sure what kind of performance diff there actually is. If heat and slightly shorter battery life do not bother you, and you want the fstest processor, go for the 4000+. or you can get asystem with the ML44 which is 2.4GHZ. Also keep in mind that prebuilt systems like HP, Gateway, Etc only offer the X200/300 graphics for the Turions as the A64's can have the X600 graphics. Another option that Im thinking about is to get a MSI barebone system with the X700 Graphics and Turion Processor, Either the MT40 or MT44. Otherwise youll have to spend probably over 2 grand for a custom lappy from someone. Right now you can get agteway with the X600 and 4000+ for $1200, 15.4" monitor; thats a good deal. Thats probably about the same for a ML/MT 40 base turion lappy as well, but you get less speed and less grphics. No matter what processor, clock speed is where the performance is at along with hard drive speed/rpm and ram speed and amount.

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You are WRONG about the SSE3 support. I dont know where you guys keep hearing this... but The mobile athlon 64 does support it! Check the link in my sig. Some of the older Clawhammer mobile 64s did not, but ever since turions have been out mobile 64s have been supporting it. Just remember the Turion is derived from the mobile 64, not the other way around. My cpu supports the same thing as a turion or opteron for that matter. The turion is just an undervolted mobile athlon 64 that uses between 25 and 35 watts tdp, where my mobile 64 uses 62 W. The gateway 7000 series mobile athlons are great computers for the money. If you want good battery life, get a turion. If you can settle with 2-2.5 hrs and have a really powerful machine, get the mobile 64. (you can always get another battery) Heres the newest Gateway 4000+ model on sale now.

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quote:

Originally posted by: 4nDr3s Well, i've read the differences between those processors, but i still have questions.
I wanna a notebook with one of those procs, but i'll use it for programming(Visual Studio) and maybe using linux, so which one would you recommend me, and why.

should i go for a Turin 64 ML-40 or for a Athlon 64 4000+???


Well, not that you are going to use the processor on a standard motherboard (which you could), but the following link is a clear indicator of why you need to go with the A64 4000+ Newark. I'm trying to get my hands on one through a local outlet in my area right now.

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Originally posted by: Unknown It's the best shot for a frequency of 3.2~3.5GHz with 1meg L2, SSE3, .09µ process cpu. The only other cpu that has near the same specs is the FX-55, which is more than double the cost of this Mobile 4000.

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I tried telling people it was one of..if not the most powerful notebook cpu... and ahoy we got a nice one in a desktop clocked up like crazy! let me guess super pi to 2m in under a minute

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on my Athlon64 mobile 3400+ i get 4- 4.5 hours, max with screen dimmed and wifi enabled,

can be as low as 2-2.5 with screen on its brigthest.

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quote:

Originally posted by: 4nDr3s
Well, i've read the differences between those processors, but i still have questions.
I wanna a notebook with one of those procs, but i'll use it for programming(Visual Studio) and maybe using linux, so which one would you recommend me, and why.

should i go for a Turin 64 ML-40 or for a Athlon 64 4000+???



Depends weather you want best performance or low power consumption really.. If you want a decent battery life probably best go for a turion ML-40, but this is *only* 2.2GHz vs the beasty 2.6GHz of the A64 4000+. But the battery life is a good bit shorter though.

Far as i know mobile and turion processors are the same thing.. turions are just mobile A64s that have been "binned" for their ability to work stably at a lower voltage. I guess with an ML-40. youd be getting the same kinda performance as an A64 3200+ i imagine.. although iv never verified this idea..

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