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 02/17/2011 02:20 AM
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I'm brand new here, and I need help with a video card upgrade. I have an old Dell Dimension 4400, and right now can't afford to replace it, but I want to get a new widescreen monitor to replace the crt monitor it came with. To go with the 24" widescreen that I want to get, I need to be able to support 1920x1080 resolution. That is the native resolution of the monitor.

That being said, my computer currently has an NVIDEA GeForce2 Mx/Mx400 video card, and I believe it is in a 2x/4x AGP slot, but not absolutely sure. I want to use an AGP card, obviously, and it needs to support the 1920x1080 resolution I need to warrant even buying a widescreen monitor. I was told I could use an 8x AGP card, if need be, if it is backwards compatible, as I'm not a gamer or anything like that. I usually just surf the internet, watch a Youtube video here and there, maybe watch a DVD, etc. so I'm assuming this would be o.k. My Dell also has a 250w power supply, so something that would run on that would be great, but changing the power supply is something I'd consider, if it didn't get too expensive. I don't mind spending a little to make this work, but there is a limit.

Anyway, I was looking at the ATI Radeon 9550 64mb DDR2 8X 4X AGP Video Card, but I couldn't find the complete specs on it, so my concern would be what resolutions it supports, and if it supports 1920x1080, and the power requirement, and yes, I'm also concerned if this will work in my AGP slot. If not, any other suggestions? Thanks in advance for any advice/feedback anyone can give!

Edited: 02/17/2011 at 03:06 AM by acillatem
 02/17/2011 09:34 AM
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Hello, and welcome to the forum!!!

Always kinda tricky with the prebuilt comps....ya never know for sure what is in them part-wise. I would like to see if CPU-Z can help us out a bit. Download it here.. You can run multiple instances of the program at the same time, so please run 5 times and Choose the first 5 tabs, then take a screen shot of your desktop and post it up here for us to look at.

Instructions on how to get your screen shots to show up on the thread.

Example of what I'm looking for...



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 02/17/2011 11:15 AM
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A Geforce2 MX supports upto maximum 3D/2D resolution of 2048 x 1536 @ 75Hz.

http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce2mx.html

Check also with GPU-Z some details of your current VGA

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/

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Thank you both for replying! I just got home from work.....will get the screenshots up a little later tonight hopefully. Thanks for the help, and looking forward to getting help picking out a card, or whatever else I need to do.
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Here's the first one.


Edited: 02/18/2011 at 12:29 AM by acillatem
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Originally posted by: go_for


Check also with GPU-Z some details of your current VGA



http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/


Here ya go.


Edited: 02/17/2011 at 09:22 PM by acillatem
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Originally posted by: go_for

A Geforce2 MX supports upto maximum 3D/2D resolution of 2048 x 1536 @ 75Hz.


The highest resolution setting I have is 1600x1200....unless I'm doing something wrong.

Edited: 02/18/2011 at 01:03 AM by acillatem
 02/18/2011 12:27 AM
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What is your current monitor, model& size? Which resolutions does it support & refresh rate? If you have an older monitor some resolutions are not available.
If you uncheck the option "Hide mode that this monitor cannot display", does it show more resolutions?
Latest driver installed for the GF2 MX?

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 02/18/2011 12:59 AM
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Originally posted by: go_for

What is your current monitor, model& size? Which resolutions does it support & refresh rate? If you have an older monitor some resolutions are not available.

If you uncheck the option "Hide mode that this monitor cannot display", does it show more resolutions?

Latest driver installed for the GF2 MX?


It is a Dell M991 19 " CRT.
Right now it is showing
800x600
1024x768
1152x864
1280x720
1280x768
1280x960
1280x1024
1360x768
1600x900
1600x1024
1152x864

Refresh rates are
60
70
72
75
85
100

If I uncheck the "Hide mode that this monitor cannot display", it does show more resolutions, including 1920x1080.

Also.....I've never installed any drivers for this card.....I'm assuming I should?? And,if so.....I guess just a google search??

Does this mean I don't need to upgrade my card? I never looked at the advanced settings, until now. I have also been told that there isn't much difference in the picture between VGA and DVI, so it would be a waste of time looking for a card that supports 1920x1080 via DVI. I was told the real difference doesn't show until you use HDMI. I will be upgrading my tower before too terribly long, but right now it would be a luxury I can't afford, but I want a bigger monitor. Like In said, I'm not a gamer at all, don't do anything too complex.....just want a bigger widescreen, and want everything displayed clearly in 16:9.

This is the monitor I'm planning to but, for whatever it's worth. The recommended resolution is 1920x1080.
">http://www.newegg.com/...ct/.....16824236102


Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but when they say D-Sub as one of the connectors, that's VGA, yes?

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Your monitor does not support 1920x1080, so a VGA driver update will not help.
A monitor driver may give a bit more convenient options for tuning the picture quality/characteristic through software.


If your current VGA card has a DVI output, it is worth to use it. VGA D-sub can be pretty good also, depending on the quality of components on the card.

The link you sent is broken, this forum tend to do that when editing a submitted post, need to use the http tag in the full edit.

I think you meant this one?

Asus VE248H Black 24

D-Sub is VGA,

D-sub

Here is he gf2 mx driver :

ForceWare Release 90

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 02/18/2011 02:44 AM
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Originally posted by: go_for

Your monitor does not support 1920x1080, so a VGA driver update will not help.

A monitor driver may give a bit more convenient options for tuning the picture quality/characteristic through software.





If your current VGA card has a DVI output, it is worth to use it. VGA D-sub can be pretty good also, depending on the quality of components on the card.



The link you sent is broken, this forum tend to do that when editing a submitted post, need to use the http tag in the full edit.



I think you meant this one?



Asus VE248H Black 24



D-Sub is VGA,



D-sub



Here is he gf2 mx driver :



ForceWare Release 90


I know my current monitor doesn't support 1920x1080, it's the monitor I want to buy that I was concerned about being able to use with my current card, hence my original post regarding possibly upgrading the card. Sounds like the monitor I want will work with my current card, yes?

Also.......no, my current card doesn't have a DVI output, but I heard there isn't a huge difference between DVI and VGA, but yes, i I had DVI, I would definitely use it. That being said, would it be worth it to change the card to a card that supports 1920x1080 with DVI? Is the difference worth changing the card for, especially on an old machine like this.

I did go and get the lastest drivers after my last post.....but thanks! It added some refresh rates as well.
Yes, that is the monitor I'm considering buying.
 02/19/2011 08:02 AM
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The monitor will work with your current card, yes.

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 02/19/2011 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by: go_for

The monitor will work with your current card, yes.


O.k. thanks.
Unless I can find an AGP card that supports 1920x1080 resolution through the DVI port, it would be pretty much senseless to change the card.....especially when I'm not a gamer, or really do anything very demanding at this point. Would you agree?
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A guy I've been talking to at NVIDEA support said I could use the GeForce 9400 GT PCI graphics card
and that it supports 1920x1080 through the DVI port, which would be great, but I'd still have to change the power supply,as it requires 300 watts. That being said, isn't PCI much slower, or would that not matter with the low demand it seems I would have on the card? Also, would the difference in picture quality be that much better, as to warrant buying a card and power supply for an older computer?
 02/23/2011 07:24 AM
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Try it first with your current card. Seeing in reviews that some have had issues getting the 9400gt to run right, it may be an unsure bet.

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Yeah......I was noticing some of the same in the reviews. It will be here tommorrow. I just want it to display in 16:9, and look at least as good as my current CRT monitor, and that will be good enough until I upgrade my tower.
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you could check out the ati 3000,4000 agp if you need to upgrade to something better
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...d=1&name=AGP%204X%2f8X

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Well, if I upgrade at all, it would have to be to a card that supports 1920x1080 through a DVI port, and can work in a 4x AGP slot, or at least be backwards compatible. A PCI card that would do that would work as well, but I've been told that isn't the way to go, as it is much slower. My requirements aren't too demanding, not being a gamer and all, so I don't know if that's worth it. Then there is the issue of power supply.....my Dell has a 250w power supply, so a card that will do what I want will need a better power supply. Not sure how far I'll go with this. It will depend.....it's an ASUS 24" widescreen LCD, LED backlit......it's simple, if it looks horrible, I'll be looking for the cheapest upgrade possible to make it look good. But, if it looks at least as good as my current CRT monitor, just in 16:9, then that will be o.k. until I upgrade my desktop.
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 02/24/2011 01:45 AM
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I checked all the products but I want my card 1 GB more than / around then he work with the monitor

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