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 01/28/2005 12:42 AM
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I have a Compaq Presario 1625 laptop that I want to upgrade the processor on and not sure what the options are. I was also wondering if the "2x as 6x" trick so you can run at least a 400 (6 x 66) processor on this motherboard would work as well. I can't find any info on the manufacturer of the motherboard. Thanks. The specs on the motherboard are:

Bus Ratio setting range is from 2.0x to 4.5x

CPU core voltage options are 1.2V / 2.2V / 2.45V

Bus frequency setting options are 66.6 MHz / 66.0 MHz

This is the information from CPU-Z:

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CPU-Z version 1.26
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CPUID Output
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Number of CPUs 1
Name AMD K6 (model 7)
Code name Little Foot
Specification AMD-K6tm w/ multimedia extensions
Family/Model/Stepping 570
Extended Family/Model 6/7
Package Socket 7
Technology 0.25µ
Instructions Sets MMX
Clock Speed 267.3 MHz
L1 Data Cache 32 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 32 Bytes line size
L1 Instruction Cache 32 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 32 Bytes line size

eax ebx ecx edx
Function 00000000 00000001 68747541 444d4163 69746e65
Function 00000001 00000570 00000000 00000000 008001bf
Function 80000000 80000005 00000000 00000000 00000000
Function 80000001 00000670 00000000 00000000 008005bf
Function 80000002 2d444d41 6d74364b 202f7720 746c756d
Function 80000003 64656d69 65206169 6e657478 6e6f6973
Function 80000004 00000073 00000000 00000000 00000000
Function 80000005 00000000 02800140 20020220 20020220



Chipset
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Northbridge ID1045 IDC701 rev. 32
Southbridge ID1045 IDC700 rev. 31
Memory Type
Memory Size 96 MBytes


Memory SPD
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No SPD information available


Monitoring
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PCI Device List
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CPU to PCI Bridge
vendor ID 0x1045 (CPU to PCI Bridge)
device ID 0xC701
revision 0x0032
sub vendor ID 0x0000 (unknown)
sub device ID 0x0000
class code 0x06
sub class code 0x00
bus 0, device 0, function 0

Register configuration
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
00 45 10 01 C7 07 00 80 02 32 00 00 06 00 00 00 00
10 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
30 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
40 00 00 02 20 71 32 00 84 30 00 00 00 5A 06 00 00
50 00 00 00 00 40 C1 00 FC 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
60 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
70 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
90 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
A0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
B0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
D0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
E0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
F0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 F8 00 00 80 00 00 00 00


PCI to ISA Bridge
vendor ID 0x1045 (PCI to ISA Bridge)
device ID 0xC700
revision 0x0031
sub vendor ID 0x0000 (unknown)
sub device ID 0x0000
class code 0x06
sub class code 0x01
bus 0, device 1, function 0

Register configuration
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
00 45 10 00 C7 07 00 80 02 31 00 01 06 00 00 00 00
10 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
30 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
40 00 00 02 C0 00 00 06 00 30 0A 30 3F 00 00 40 60
50 00 00 00 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
60 00 00 00 00 F1 03 00 20 C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
70 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20 00 00 4A 3E
90 00 00 00 29 22 2B 21 00 00 3F 41 24 23 2A 2B 2B
A0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 80 49 DC 37 00 00 01 05
B0 03 04 05 06 07 09 1A 1B AB 0B 01 00 01 00 00 00
C0 10 32 50 76 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
D0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 7F 00 00 00 80 0F
E0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 8F 00 F0 E8 F0 E0 00 00
F0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00


PCI to Cardbus Bridge
vendor ID 0x104C (Texas Instruments)
device ID 0xAC15
revision 0x0001
sub vendor ID 0xFFFFFFFF (unknown)
sub device ID 0xFFFFFFFF
class code 0x06
sub class code 0x07
bus 0, device A, function 0

Register configuration
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
00 4C 10 15 AC 07 00 00 02 01 00 07 06 08 00 82 00
10 00 00 00 06 00 00 00 02 00 01 01 00 00 F0 FF FF
20 00 00 00 00 00 F0 FF FF 00 00 00 00 FC FF 00 00
30 00 00 00 00 FC FF 00 00 00 00 00 00 0B 01 C0 04
40 11 0E C3 B0 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
50 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
60 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
70 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
80 20 10 24 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
90 C0 BA 74 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
A0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
B0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
D0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
E0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
F0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00


PCI to Cardbus Bridge
vendor ID 0x104C (Texas Instruments)
device ID 0xAC15
revision 0x0001
sub vendor ID 0xFFFFFFFF (unknown)
sub device ID 0xFFFFFFFF
class code 0x06
sub class code 0x07
bus 0, device A, function 1

Register configuration
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
00 4C 10 15 AC 07 00 00 02 01 00 07 06 08 00 82 00
10 00 10 00 06 00 00 00 02 00 02 02 00 00 F0 FF FF
20 00 00 00 00 00 F0 FF FF 00 00 00 00 FC FF 00 00
30 00 00 00 00 FC FF 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A 02 C0 04
40 11 0E C3 B0 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
50 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
60 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
70 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
80 20 10 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
90 C0 BA 74 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
A0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
B0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
D0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
E0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
F0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00


VGA display controller
vendor ID 0x10C8 (VGA display controller)
device ID 0x0004
revision 0x0001
sub vendor ID 0x0E11 (Compaq)
sub device ID 0xB0BD
class code 0x03
sub class code 0x00
bus 0, device 12, function 0

Register configuration
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
00 C8 10 04 00 07 00 80 02 01 00 00 03 00 80 00 00
10 08 00 00 FD 00 00 A0 FE 00 00 D0 FE 00 00 00 00
20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 11 0E BD B0
30 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0B 01 10 FF
40 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
50 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
60 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
70 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
90 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
A0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
B0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
D0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
E0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
F0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00


IDE Disk controller
vendor ID 0x1045 (IDE Disk controller)
device ID 0xD568
revision 0x0030
sub vendor ID 0x0E11 (Compaq)
sub device ID 0xB0C2
class code 0x01
sub class code 0x01
bus 0, device 14, function 0

Register configuration
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F
00 45 10 68 D5 05 00 80 02 30 80 01 01 00 00 00 00
10 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
20 F1 FC 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 11 0E C2 B0
30 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
40 20 00 16 00 00 00 10 FA 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
50 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
60 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
70 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
90 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
A0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
B0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
D0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
E0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
F0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00


DMI
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Software
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Windows Version Microsoft Windows 98 SE
DirectX Version 6.1


 01/28/2005 03:16 AM
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Compaq Presario 1625 Notebook PC ->
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfr...duct...t&product=95211' ">http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfr...=product&product=95211

Specifications ->
http://www.compaq.com/athome/s...sgs/...600/notice.html' ">http://www.compaq.com/athome/s.../msgs/1600/notice.html

Are you running the latest BIOS ROMPAQ SP11490.exe (336.47k) F.0A (07/14/99) Release Date: 1999-08-02 and Battery Controller/KBC Firmware Update SP15238.exe (702.09k) Release Date: 2000-08-09 Version: 1.11?

The 2x = 6x is only for CXT core (Model 8 and Model 9) CPU's, so you'd have to purchase a new CPU.

Are those the only VCore options you have? (EDIT - looks like they are, though there might be some undocumented settings available as well.) If so, a K6-III-400/450 (Model 9) 2.2V/3.3V running at 6x66MHz for 400MHz would be the fastest CPU you could install...assuming the BIOS will setup this CPU properly, and a BF2 pin is available.

If you can reach 2.0V Vcore or lower, a K6-2/III+ CPU can be fitted to extend battery life.

Note- I think they meant 60.0MHz and 66.6MHz, not 66.0 MHz and 66.6MHz.

EDIT - Looks like BF2 is available. See ->
http://www.compaq.com/athome/s...sgs/...s/1600/dip.html' ">http://www.compaq.com/athome/support/msgs/1600/dip.html

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Thanks for the info. I have installed all of the ROM updates for the motherboard off of compaq's website. Is that good or bad? I am planning on getting a different processor off of ebay for this laptop. I just needed to know what processor would work if any at all. The documentation for the laptop motherboard off of compaq's website says 66.6 MHz & 66.0 MHz. They may be wrong but I was just quoting the manufacturer. What is a BF2? I didn't see anything on the link you put saying anything about BF2. So if I got a K6-III-400/450 (Model 9) 2.2V/3.3V running at 6x66MHz for 400MHz, would I put the clock multiplier on 2x then to get the 6x. How would I find out if my Bios would support this CPU? Just install the new CPU and turn it on ???? Thanks again for any info you can give me. I know my way around computers okay pretty well, but updating processors I don't have alot of experience with.
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Get your CPU here -> http://www.jlmtech.net/catalog/index.php' ">http://www.jlmtech.net/catalog/index.php

ROM updates are good.

BF0, BF1, and BF2 are the pin names for the Bus Multipliers on a CPU. Some only have BF0 and BF1...thus their bus multiplication is limited. Your board seems to have all 3 (S1-4, 5, and 6) so you should be able to set all possible multiplier combinations...not just the ones that are listed in the table (it is missing 1.5x, 5.0x, and 5.5x). On a CXT core K6, the CPU will recognize a jumpering of 2x as 6x automatically.

As for the BIOS knowing about the CPU, that will be a cr*apshoot unless you can find someone that has tried this before successfully on your particular machine. It might work just fine, display incorrect information but run just fine, or not boot at all until you set a configuration that it knows about. The last BIOS date is pretty recent, so there is a GOOD CHANCE the CPU will be recognized correctly.

If you can set 2.0V or lower on VCore, a K6-2/III+ CPU will give you an even bigger boost in performance. These CPU's have an on-die, full speed L2 cache...making your notebooks motherboard external cache an L3 cache. These will also help conserve battery life...which can always be of benefit.

VCore on your machine is set with S1-1, 2, and 3...and again, not all switch positions are mentioned in the setup document. Since you can set as low as 1.2V, there is a GOOD CHANCE that you can set voltages in-between 1.2V and 2.2V. There are some rarer flavors of K6+ CPU's that run at these lower voltages (I've seen 1.6/1.7V advertised...was there a 1.2V as well??).

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Thanks for the info. Is there a different between laptop and desktop kIII 400 MHz processors? I may just go with the KIII instead of the KIII+ so I don't have to worry about screwing up the voltage. I don't think I understand the multiplier part though. Would I have to set the multiplier to 2x on my motherboard using the dip switches then? Or does the processor do it automatically to get the 6X. I don't know where on the mother board to test how to get 2.0 volts to run the KIII+ unless anybody can help me out with that. If I can get 2.0 volts then I would prefer to go with the KIII+. Thanks

The biggest reason I want to upgrade the prccessor is so I can add a DVD rom. The DVD rom supposedly needs a 350MHz processor or better.
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I did some searching on ebay and found some K6-III 400 MHz processors but they say right on the chip 2.4 volts. My motherboard says it has 2.45 volts as an option. Will 2.45volts work for a 2.4 volt K6-III cpu.
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Nope...the CPU does not know what it is mounted in. That's why I have a K6-2/+ running in my DFI Tower!

Yes...you set the CPU Multiplier switches for 2x...the CPU will do the rest.

A K6-III running at 400MHz will use 10.80A@2.2V and 12.40A@2.4V Vcore.
A K6-III running at 450MHz will use 12.15A@2.2V and 13.50A@2.4V Vcore.
A K6-III+ running at 450MHz will use 8.50A@2.0V Vcore.

So there is a BIG difference in power savings...and it will help make life easier on your VCore regulator as well.

If you have access to a DVM, you can measure VCore without a CPU installed. The readings will be close, but not exact, as you should really have a load on the supply for a proper reading.

VCore S1-1 S1-2 S1-3
x.xxV Off Off Off
1.20V On Off Off (Set as Default)
2.45V Off On Off
x.xxV On On Off
2.20V Off Off On
x.xxV On Off On
x.xxV Off On On
x.xxV On On On

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 01/28/2005 01:52 PM
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When you say DVM do you mean digital volt meter? I got one. I can't keep the processor on it and change dip switches as I'll fry the current CPU won't I?. Lets say hypothetically I took the current CPU out of the mother board and wanted to test the various dip switch (????) options the manufacturer does not give. Where am I actually testing on the motherboard with the processor pulled? Also what is the procedure for doing this. I take it I turn the pc on when trying to test the voltage right?

So can the K6-III 400MHz processor run on 2.2 volts or 2.4 volts? The processor chip has stamped right on it 2.4 volts. I'm a littel confused on this? Thanks again for all the help as this is all starting to make alot more sense.

K6-III 450 MHz processor on Ebay' ">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...&rd=1#ebayphotohosting
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Yup on the DVM.

It depends on the currently installed CPU, and the current that the VCore regulator can supply. You could either over-voltage the CPU, or pull too much current from the regulator.

To measure, you can look around for the VCore regulator, and measure off of one of its legs (find the correct one). You can also find out what pins VCore is on the Socket 7, and measure (carefully) off of one of those.

The K6-III came in both flavors, so you have to read which one you got. The one you show is the 2.4V one, and he will use the most power (12.40A@400MHz). It depends then if your VCore regulator can supply that kind of power or not, which was not mentioned in the specs. You can figure it out by checking into the VCore parts themselves, or by writing COMPAQ and seeing what they say.

My DFI can support 10.0A on VCore, so the + series CPU is just the ticket.

Hmmm...Just saw you have something called Power OK swithches...I'm gonna bet you have to set those to match as well...

NOTE - The entire web-based Maintainance and Service Guide can be found here ->
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfr...oc/p...f/c00000612.pdf' ">http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfr.../Doc/pdf/c00000612.pdf

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CPU #3 - HP8766C, PIII-667, 768MB SDRAM
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Per your other post -

VCore S1-1 S1-2 S1-3
x.xxV Off Off Off
2.10V On Off Off (Set as Default) <- corrected
2.45V Off On Off
x.xxV On On Off
2.20V Off Off On
x.xxV On Off On
x.xxV Off On On
x.xxV On On On

If this is the case, and the CPU marking confirms this, then a K6-III+ should just drop right in...it will run at 2.1V just fine (though if you can find a 2.0V setting, that would be cool).

Your BIOS may have motherboard sensor measuring built-in...what does it say?

K6-266 MMX
(Little Foot - Model 7)
January 6, 1998 - {$268} 321 pins
266MHz (66x4.0)
2.2v/3.3v split
Socket 7 32KB data (2-way)
32KB instruction (2-way) 8.8 million
0.25µm process
68mm² die

I would not understand why they set the thing to 2.1V (1.2V?) when it is a 2.2V CPU...

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Thanks again, you've been super helpful. So you think compaq mislabeled the maintenance guide off of there website saying that default vcore is 1.2v? If they mislabled it and it was actually 2.1v, then I could go witha K6III+ which would be even better than running a K6III. Would a 2.1v K6 processor even run on 1.2v ???? I actually went in and changed the voltage from the supposed 1.2v to the documented 2.2v for the current K6 266MHz 2.1v processor. It definitely runs a littel better. I ran a program called cpumark and I went from 16.3 before the voltage increase to 17.7. So I had a definite increase by changing the voltage from the documented 1.2v to the 2.2 v setting. I also changed the power OK voltage to match the core voltage setting. I also tried changing the multiplier from 4.0x to 4.5x on both voltage settings and the pc would NOT boot up. So I left it at the default 4.0x.

I don't feel comfortable hooking a volt meter to my motherboard so I will go with the K6III 400MHz 2.4 volt processor and just run it at the documented 2.45 volts on my motherboard. I would think that would be fine. Unless you think my default setting on my mother board is definitely 2.1 volts instead of the documented 1.2 volts. Thanks again.
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Again...does your BIOS support "sensor monitoring"? You would be able to monitor things like temperature and voltage, etc...

If not, Everest can monitor these (assuming that the motherboard has sensors to begin with), and can also tell you alot about your machine. The latest Beta Build 254 also has the K6+ CPU MSR dump added (pats self on the back for suggesting it to Fiery ). The Computer Sensor page will tell you just what the voltage is when you flick the switches.

http://www.lavalys.hu/pre/ever...ever..._build_0254.zip' ">http://www.lavalys.hu/pre/ever...esthome_build_0254.zip

If the CPU could run on the 1.2V voltage, it would surely pull more current to make up the difference. I highly doubt the thing would boot up though. That's the reason I think it was a misprint (along with the 60/66MHz one). Not sure why you couldn't change the CPU multiplier, but OK for now.

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Sorry, I missed this QUOTE Your BIOS may have motherboard sensor measuring built-in...what does it say? When I go into my bios there are not a whole lot of options in there. Everest says my motherboard does NOT support monitoring. It doesn't look like there is a way to see what my current core voltage is. I ran everest and this is the info on the motherbo0ard/cpu/bios from everest:

--------[ DMI ]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[ System ]

System Properties:
Manufacturer Compaq
Product Presario
Version 0F0A
Serial Number 1V87BY53AN9P

[ Motherboard ]

Motherboard Properties:
Manufacturer Compaq
Product 0484h
Version Rev. A
Serial Number None

[ Chassis ]

Chassis Properties:
Manufacturer Compaq
Version N/A
Serial Number None
Asset Tag No Asset Tag


--------[ Overclock ]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CPU Properties:
CPU Type Mobile AMD K6
CPU Alias Littlefoot
CPU Stepping A
CPUID CPU Name AMD-K6tm w/ multimedia extensions
CPUID Revision 00000570h

CPU Speed:
CPU Clock 267.22 MHz

CPU Cache:
L1 Code Cache 32 KB
L1 Data Cache 32 KB
L2 Cache 0

Motherboard Properties:
Motherboard ID <DMI>
Motherboard Name Compaq Presario

BIOS Properties:
System BIOS Date 06/09/98
Video BIOS Date Unknown


--------[ Power Management ]--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Power Management Properties:
Current Power Source AC Line
Battery Status No Battery
Full Battery Lifetime Unknown
Remaining Battery Lifetime Unknown


--------[ CPU ]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CPU Properties:
CPU Type Mobile AMD K6, 266 MHz
CPU Alias Littlefoot
CPU Stepping A
Instruction Set x86, MMX
L1 Code Cache 32 KB
L1 Data Cache 32 KB
L2 Cache 0

CPU Physical Info:
Package Type 360 Pin BGA
Package Size 2.50 cm x 2.50 cm
Transistors 8.8 million
Process Technology 5Mi, 0.25 um, CMOS
Die Size 68 mm2
Core Voltage 2.0 V / 2.1 V
I/O Voltage 3.3 V
Typical Power 5.4 - 6.6 W (depending on clock speed)
Maximum Power 9.0 - 11.0 W (depending on clock speed)

CPU Manufacturer:
Company Name Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Product Information http://www.amd.com/us-en/Proce...oduc...,30_118,00.html' ">http://www.amd.com/us-en/Proce...tion/0,,30_118,00.html

CPU Utilization:
CPU #1 17 %

Problems & Suggestions:
Problem No CPU L2 cache found. This may cause performance penalty.


--------[ CPUID ]-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CPUID Properties:
CPUID Manufacturer AuthenticAMD
CPUID CPU Name AMD-K6tm w/ multimedia extensions
CPUID Revision 00000570h
Extended CPUID Revision 00000670h
Platform ID C8h (Socket 7)
IA CPU Serial Number Unknown
HTT / CMP Units 0 / 0

Instruction Set:
64-bit x86 Extension (AMD64, EM64T) Not Supported
Alternate Instruction Set Not Supported
AMD 3DNow! Not Supported
AMD 3DNow! Professional Not Supported
AMD Enhanced 3DNow! Not Supported
AMD Extended MMX Not Supported
Cyrix Extended MMX Not Supported
IA-64 Not Supported
IA MMX Supported
IA SSE Not Supported
IA SSE 2 Not Supported
IA SSE 3 Not Supported
CLFLUSH Instruction Not Supported
CMPXCHG8B Instruction Supported
CMPXCHG16B Instruction Not Supported
Conditional Move Instruction Not Supported
FEMMS Instruction Not Supported
MONITOR / MWAIT Instruction Not Supported

Security Features:
Advanced Cryptography Engine Not Supported
Data Execution Prevention (DEP, NX, EDB) Not Supported
Hardware Random Number Generator Not Supported
Processor Serial Number (PSN) Not Supported

Power Management Features:
Automatic Clock Control Not Supported
Enhanced SpeedStep Technology (EIST, ESS) Not Supported
Frequency ID Control Not Supported
LongHaul Not Supported
LongRun Not Supported
LongRun Table Interface Not Supported
Processor Duty Cycle Control Not Supported
Software Thermal Control Not Supported
Temperature Sensing Diode Not Supported
Thermal Monitor 1 Not Supported
Thermal Monitor 2 Not Supported
Thermal Monitoring Not Supported
Thermal Trip Not Supported
Voltage ID Control Not Supported

CPUID Features:
36-bit Page Size Extension Not Supported
CPL Qualified Debug Store Not Supported
Debug Trace Store Not Supported
Debugging Extension Supported
Fast Save & Restore Not Supported
Fast System Call Not Supported
Hyper-Threading Technology Not Supported
L1 Context ID Not Supported
Local APIC On Chip Not Supported
Machine-Check Architecture Not Supported
Machine-Check Exception Supported
Memory Type Range Registers Not Supported
Model Specific Registers Supported
Page Attribute Table Not Supported
Page Global Extension Not Supported
Page Size Extension Supported
Pending Break Event Not Supported
Physical Address Extension Not Supported
Self-Snoop Not Supported
Time Stamp Counter Supported
Virtual Machine Extensions Not Supported
Virtual Mode Extension Supported

Problems & Suggestions:
Suggestion SSE is not supported. Upgrade your CPU to speed up applications optimized for SSE.


--------[ Motherboard ]-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Motherboard Properties:
Motherboard ID <DMI>
Motherboard Name Compaq Presario

Motherboard Manufacturer:
Company Name Hewlett-Packard Company
Product Information http://www.compaq.com' ">http://www.compaq.com
BIOS Download http://support.hp.com' ">http://support.hp.com


--------[ Memory ]------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Physical Memory:
Total 95 MB
Used 94 MB
Free 1 MB
Utilization 99 %

Swap Space:
Total 1952 MB
Used 85 MB
Free 1867 MB
Utilization 4 %

Virtual Memory:
Total 2047 MB
Used 179 MB
Free 1868 MB
Utilization 9 %

Physical Address Extension (PAE):
Supported by Operating System No
Supported by CPU No
Active No

Problems & Suggestions:
Problem Modern operating systems require at least 128 MB system memory for optimum performance.


--------[ BIOS ]--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

BIOS Properties:
BIOS Type Phoenix
System BIOS Date 06/09/98
Video BIOS Date Unknown

BIOS Manufacturer:
Company Name Phoenix Technologies Ltd.
Product Information http://www.phoenix.com/en/products/default.htm' ">http://www.phoenix.com/en/products/default.htm
BIOS Upgrades http://www.esupport.com/biosag...x.cf...fm?refererid=40' ">http://www.esupport.com/biosag...index.cfm?refererid=40

Problems & Suggestions:
Suggestion Are you looking for a BIOS Upgrade? Contact eSupport Today!
Suggestion System BIOS is more than 2 years old. Update it if necessary.
 01/30/2005 03:12 AM
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Hmmm...Everest says your CPU is a BGA...can you remove it? Something tells me it is soldered to your motherboard.

BTW...I found that your MOBILE 266 (should be BCZ) uses 5.10A@2.0V on VCore...just FYI.

The VCore spec would be 1.9V to 2.1V with an Absolute Maximum of 2.5V.

Please verify the markings on your CPU for me. Thanks.

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CPU #1 - DFI 586IPVG, K6-2/+ 450 (Cyrix MII 433), 128MB EDO. BIOS patched by Jan Steunebrink.
CPU #2 - Amptron PM-7900 (M520), i200 non-MMX, 128MB EDO
CPU #3 - HP8766C, PIII-667, 768MB SDRAM
CPU #4 - ASUS P3V4X, PIII-733, 256MB SDRAM
CPU #5 - ??? ;)
 01/30/2005 12:58 PM
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Printed on the CPU says:

AMD K6
AMD-K6/266ADZ
2.1V CORE/3.3V I/O
A 9822EPGW
1997 AMD

I ran all of the Bios updates on the Compaq website but Everest still said my Bios is 6/09/98. I hope that will be fine. Around the CPU there is a cream colored holder that says "lock" on one side and "open" on the other. I haven't tried to pull the CPU yet but appears to be reomovable. I ended up setting my voltage core back to the default 1.2V which is more than likely "2.1" volts since you think my pc would not even boot up on 1.2v. Plus when I drop from 2.2 volts to the marked 1.2 volts my cpu mark # drops from 17.7 to 16.1. I would think that if I was going from 2.2 volts to an actual 1.2 volts my cpu bench mark # would drop much lower. I am trying to find a K6III+ 400MHz processor and then run it at 2.1V. Otherwise a K6 III 400MHz processor would be fine and run it at 2.4V.

Do you think the K6III 380MHz processor would be fine as well. I figure setting the multiplier at 2x which the CPU will run at 6x and 6x66MHz=396MHz. Which is over the 380MHz on the chip. It would be nice to go with a 380 MHz chip since it's a 2.2 volt and would run cooler than a regular K6 III 400 chip.

Also, do you think a K6 II 400 MHz 2.2V chip would be fine? If I went with a K6II chip I would not get the L3 cache right.?

I think I am starting to understand all of this and just about ready to decide on the right chip to upgrade to.

One last thing. Would a K6II or K62+ 450 or 500 MHz chip work for me. I know I could NOT get anymore than 400MHz out of it based on the 6x66MHz max capability but still wondered if it would work fine at 400MHz.

I see somebody is selling a K6 266 ADZ 2.1V CPU on ebay so it must be removable.

K6 266 2.1V ADZ CPU' ">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...1&rd=1&ssPageName=WD1V

Thanks again,
 01/30/2005 02:59 PM
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Yup...

A denotes the 321-pin CPGA package, so it is removable. D represents 2.0-2.2V VCore, and Z represents 0-85'C Temperature range.

See -> http://www.amd.com/us-en/asset...t_ty..._docs/21049.pdf' ">http://www.amd.com/us-en/asset...nd_tech_docs/21049.pdf

In this case, Everest must be incorrect (re: BGA).

Try for the + series CPU if you can. It will be much easier on your VCore regulator as I mentioned earlier. The difference between the 2+ and the III+ is the on-die L2 cache...the 2+ has 128K while the III+ has 256K. I'm using a K6-2/+ 450ACZ running ar 6x66MHz for 400 MHz in my DFI, though I'd like to step up to the III+ as it would be the most CPU I could run in the machine.

The K6-III/380 would also work and has the on-die L2 cache, but again, it will use more power.

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CPU #1 - DFI 586IPVG, K6-2/+ 450 (Cyrix MII 433), 128MB EDO. BIOS patched by Jan Steunebrink.
CPU #2 - Amptron PM-7900 (M520), i200 non-MMX, 128MB EDO
CPU #3 - HP8766C, PIII-667, 768MB SDRAM
CPU #4 - ASUS P3V4X, PIII-733, 256MB SDRAM
CPU #5 - ??? ;)
 01/30/2005 03:44 PM
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QUOTE I'm using a K6-2/+ 450ACZ running ar 6x66MHz for 400 MHz in my DFI It looks like you answered my question on running a faster chip at a slower speed is possible. You have definitley gotten me to where I feel pretty comfortable on choosing the right proccessor to upgrade with. Would you rate running at a lower power such as a K6II+ 400/450 better than having the L2 cache in a K6III380 and running at 2.4 volts. I would think running at a higher voltage and getting the L2 cache in the III series would be best but I am just learning all of this so I'm not too sure.

What do you think the chances of my Phoenix System BIOS Date 06/09/98 working with a K6II or III chip? That right now would be my only limiting factor as the voltage is not an issue with 2.1/2.2/2.4 options.

I also read about this: PowerTweak 2.0, it turs on the K6-2+ extra advanced features.
Orphanlaptops' ">http://www.orphanlaptops.com/mp983.htm

I also figured out how to remove the chip. Just had to finally decide to push the screwdriver a little harder to get the chip to snap and slide over. Then the chip comes right out very easily.

Thanks again. Without your help I would not have gotten this far.
 01/30/2005 05:17 PM
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The + series CPU's contain the on-die L2 cache as well.

As for turning on the CPU options, let's get the thing installed before we go there. That will be the easy part.

Yup on the CPU removal. Just make sure the lever is fully up before installing the CPU, and make sure to align the pins properly (it only fits one way). It should drop right in with no trouble, and latch just as easily. Does your CPU have a fan/heatsink on it now? How is it cooled?

The BIOS should recognize that an AMD CPU has been installed, it's just whether it will understand the Multiplier properly and give us the speed we desire. One possibility is that it will display properly and run properly. Another is that it will display incorrectly, but still run properly. We won't think about not booting at all.

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CPU #1 - DFI 586IPVG, K6-2/+ 450 (Cyrix MII 433), 128MB EDO. BIOS patched by Jan Steunebrink.
CPU #2 - Amptron PM-7900 (M520), i200 non-MMX, 128MB EDO
CPU #3 - HP8766C, PIII-667, 768MB SDRAM
CPU #4 - ASUS P3V4X, PIII-733, 256MB SDRAM
CPU #5 - ??? ;)
 01/30/2005 07:55 PM
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QUOTE Does your CPU have a fan/heatsink on it now? How is it cooled? The CPU does NOT have a fan on it. Ther is a system fan about 3 inches away from it on the back of the pc. There is also a square aluminum chunk the same size as the CPU and about a 9mm thick that sits on top of the processor and then attaches to a 12 inch by 4 inch piece of metal to dissipate the heat.

My CPU is locked in place by by prying with a screwdriver into the "locked" side of the socket which moves the CPU over a few millimeters. To remove it you pry with a screwdriver in the "open" side of the socket.

I'll try for a K6III+ 400/450 MHz otherwise I'll get a K6 II+400/450 MHz.

Thanks for all your help.
 01/31/2005 05:50 AM
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That's right...you have that "heat spreader" thing I saw in the manual. That should be sufficient to keep the CPU cool.

Interesting mounting method for the CPU...just be careful when you pry!

What size motherboard cache do you have? Everest should say under the Motherboard Chipset section.

Make sure you look for the + and not the "P" CPU. The P-type (0.25µm process) is not as power efficient as the + type (0.18µm process), and was the predecessor to the + CPU.

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Moderator - Wim's BIOS

CPU #1 - DFI 586IPVG, K6-2/+ 450 (Cyrix MII 433), 128MB EDO. BIOS patched by Jan Steunebrink.
CPU #2 - Amptron PM-7900 (M520), i200 non-MMX, 128MB EDO
CPU #3 - HP8766C, PIII-667, 768MB SDRAM
CPU #4 - ASUS P3V4X, PIII-733, 256MB SDRAM
CPU #5 - ??? ;)
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