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I Have a AMD K-6 II 550Mhz chip it runs fine but slow (Microsoft hellbender is reduced to a un playable slide show with hardware accelaration on,the game is kinda old and i have played it smoth as glass on 300Mhz computers.).i have win98se but cant overclock above 533Mhz. all i know is that i have is a V-Box with a ami bios(i realy think the motherboard is a pcchips for what it is worth). i tried to e-mail amd but no luck so far, help would be much appreciated.

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 04/10/2004 01:31 AM
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Games are usually highly dependent on your videocard, so if the slower(300MHz) comps you mentioned had a better videocard, it is very well possible that the game was running smoother on them.
The amount of memory installed in your machine might play a role in this aswell.

What videocard do you have? Make sure your CPU is running at the speed it should be running(is it actually recognized as a 550MHz K6-2?) - you can check processor and bus speeds with a CPUID-utility like CPU-Z or WCPUID(search on google).

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my video card is a sis530 w/3d accelration fetures.i mis typed the speed, i cant over clock above. i cant over clock above 533 w/97Mhz bus speed.i have 32mb of ram w/8mb going to the video card. i am expecting another 32mb stik of ram from e-bay any day now. 550Mhz is the maximum speed of the chip witch is printed on the processer itself,it has 64kb internal L1cache and 512kb external L2 cache. i curintly have it running @ 450Mhz w/100 mhz bus from 533Mhz w/97mhz bus and there is absoulty no change at all in the frame rate of the game(it runs smoothly with out 3d feutures enabled at 300-533mhz,witch confuses me,shouldent it run faster w/3d and not vice versa?), i would say it probly runs the equalevent to a pentuim 200mhz(AMD please dont kill me! ). could it be my mother board? any way, i realy apriceate you for takeing the time to help me.

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IMO, there are two reasons for your machines' poor performance in games:

1 - You're using on-board shared-memory video which is really not suitable for modern games...especially as your solution is pretty old and you're only using 8MB of memory for it(i doubt allocating more memory would significantly speed things up, tho).
2 - You have only 32MB of RAM...not really sufficient for gaming - the extra RAM you're going to install should help a bit but again, there won't be a significant improvement of your frame-rate.

My suggestion would be to get a new videocard and possibly some more memory - 128MB or something would be nice(you can use PC133 SDRAM if your motherboard supports SDRAM, btw - it is fully backward-compatible and will run at PC100-speeds without problems).

As for the videocard, i would suggest something along the lines of a GeForce2/4 MX - not really a great card, but a *significant* improvement over your current on-board video solution.

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ive ran pc-wizzard from cpu-z's web site and ran all benchmarks and holy crap every thing was so slow,it registard a pentium II as at least 5x faster than my amd k6-2 550 (witch is not at full speed,500Mhz w/100Mhz FSB).i tried to install 128 mb of pc133 sdram not to long ago and when i turned my computer on there was no activity at all the screen stayed on stand by as if the computer was off.my bios is the orignal one that came pre flashed,i tried to up date it from e-suport.com or somthing like that and they wanted "$40-$60" .as far as your new graphs card theroy i do not have any Agp slots what so ever,is there such a card that is compatable?i am working on getting my systems full specs as i type this mabye they will help out.



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Listed is part of my system benchmark.Ive cut out unneccery things like sound card and all the fetures and usb ports possible.editing all of it out left only 50% at least witch is listed.Hope This Helps .....


PC Wizard 2004 Version 1.61
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Owner: Charlie Mcpherson
User: Charlie Mcpherson
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.2222 A
Report Date: Sunday 11 April 2004 at 07:14

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<<< Mainboard >>>

> Manufacturer : PCCHIPS
>> General Information
Product : M599LMR
Version : Mega 0123
Serial Number : 00000000
Unique ID : 00000000-00000000-00000000-00000000
Class : IBM PC/AT
>> OEM Information
OEM #1 : SMBIOS Support from AMI
OEM #2 : AMI & Cadence
OEM #3 : AMI & AST

> Mainboard : PCCHIPS
>> General Information
Product : M598LMR
Version : 1.0
Serial Number : 00000000
Support MP : No
>> Chassis Information
Manufacturer : PCCHIPS
Type : Desktop
Version : Mega 1.0
Serial Number : Mega 0123
Asset : 0123ABC
>> Sensor Information
Monitoring Chip : Intel Xeon Thermal Sensor
>> On-Board Device Information
Device : SiS Video (Video)
>> Slots Information
Slot PCI : In Use (32-bit) 3.3v, Shared Slot Opening
Slot PCI : In Use (32-bit) 3.3v, Shared Slot Opening
Slot ISA : (16-bit) 3.3v, Shared Slot Opening
>> External Connectors
Serial 16550A Compatible : DB-9 male
Parallel ECP/EPP : DB25 female
Keyboard : PS/2
Mouse : PS/2
USB : Access Bus (USB)
>> Internal Connectors
Floppy : On Board Floppy
Primary IDE : On Board IDE
Secondary IDE : On Board IDE
>> System Configuration Options
Option #1 : System Management BIOS from BIOS Group
Option #2 : SMBIOS from AMI
Option #3 : SMBIOS 3.0 with ACPI
>> EEPROM Information
Type : EEPROM Specific
Address : 0x57

> Bios : American Megatrends Inc.
>> General Information
Manufacturer : American Megatrends Inc.
Version : 062601
Date : 15/07/5/97
Address : F000h on 256 Kb
ID : 52-1210-001437-00101111-071595-000000
DMI Version : 2.1
>> Characteristics
Flashable : Yes
Socketed : Yes
>> Functionnality
APM : Yes
ACPI : Yes
ESCD : Yes
PnP : Yes
PCI : Yes
ISA : Yes
AGP : Yes
USB : Yes
PCMCIA : No
Smart Battery : No
>> Boot Information
Selectable Boot : Yes
CD-ROM Boot : Yes
PC Card (PCMCIA) Boot : No
I20 Boot : No
LS-120 Boot : Yes
1394 Boot : No
ATAPI ZIP Boot : No
Network Boot : No

> Chipset : SiS SiS530 CPU to PCI Bridge
>> General Information
NorthBridge : SiS SiS530
SouthBridge : SiS PCI to ISA Bridge (LPC Bridge)
>> NorthBridge Information
Architecture : Northbridge
Manufacturer : SiS
Revision : 3
Front Side Bus Speed : 100.2 MHz
Bus Speed : 100.2 MHz
>> Device Capabilities
Latency Timer : 32 clocks
I/O Access : Yes
Memory Access : Yes
Bus Master Capable : Yes
Special Cycle Recognition : No
Memory Write & Invalidate : No
VGA Palette Snoop : No
Parity Error Response : No
Cycle Wait : No
System Error Line : No
Fast Back-to-Back : No
Detects Parity Errors : No
User Defined Format : No
PCI 66Mhz Bus Support : No
New Capability List : Yes
PCI Support : AGP

> Physical Memory : 24 Mb
>> General Information
ROW-0 (RAS 0) : 32 (Single Bank) - SDRAM
ROW-1 : Empty
ROW-2 : Empty
>> Memory Controller Information
Memory Controller : Standard, Parity, SIMM
Number of connectors : 3
Max. Module Size : 128 Mb
Max. Memory Size : 384 Mb
Supported Speed : 70ns, 60ns
Supported Voltages : 3.3v
Error Detection Method : 32-bit ECC
Error Correction Capability : Single Bit
Current/Supported Interleave : 1-way/1-way
>> Chipset Information
ECC Diagnostic : No

> ISA Bus : Yes
>> Bus Information
Type : Southbridge
Device : SiS PCI to ISA Bridge (LPC Bridge)
Revision : B1
Number of ISA Connectors : 1
Speed : 8 MHz
Multiplier : 1/4x
DMA Speed : 4 MHz
Multiplier : 1/2x
>> Device Capabilities
I/O Access : Yes
Memory Access : Yes
Bus Master Capable : Yes
Special Cycle Recognition : Yes
Memory Write & Invalidate : No
VGA Palette Snoop : No
Parity Error Response : No
Cycle Wait : No
System Error Line : No
Fast Back-to-Back : No
Detects Parity Errors : No
User Defined Format : No
PCI 66Mhz Bus Support : No
New Capability List : No

> PCI Bus : Yes
>> General Information
Bios PCI : v2.10
Number of PCI Bus : 2
Number of PCI Connectors : 2
Speed : 33 MHz
Multiplier : 1/3x
>> General Features
Support Mechanism 1 : Yes
Support Mechanism 2 : No
>> Bus Information #0
Device : SiS530 CPU to PCI Bridge
Device : SiS5513 EIDE Controller (A,B step)
Device : SiS PCI to ISA Bridge (LPC Bridge)
Device : SiS600 Power Management Controller
Device : SiS5597/8 Universal Serial Bus Controller
Device : Virtual PCI to PCI Bridge
Device : HCF 56k PCI Modem
Device : HSP56 MicroModem
Device : DM9102/A/AF,DM9801 Fast Ethernet Adapter
Device : CMI8738/C3DX PCI Audio Device
Device : HSP56 Audiomodem Riser
>> Bus Information #1
Device : SiS530,620 GUI Accelerator+3D


> AGP Bus : Yes
>> Bus Information
Device : Virtual PCI to PCI Bridge
Number of AGP connectors : 1
AGP enabled : Yes
Version : 2.32
Side Band supported : No
Side Band enabled : No
>> Transfert Rate supported
>> Bus Information
Device : SiS530,620 GUI Accelerator+3D
>> Device Capabilities
I/O Access : Yes
Memory Access : Yes
Bus Master Capable : Yes
Special Cycle Recognition : No
Memory Write & Invalidate : No
VGA Palette Snoop : No
Parity Error Response : No
Cycle Wait : No
System Error Line : No
Fast Back-to-Back : No
Detects Parity Errors : No
User Defined Format : No
PCI 66Mhz Bus Support : No
New Capability List : No

> USB Bus : Yes
>> Device Information
Device : SiS5597/8 Universal Serial Bus Controller
Version : 0.0
Speed : 48 MHz
Interface : EHCI

> SMBus/i2c Bus : No

> Bus CardBus : No

> Bus FireWire : No

<<< Processor >>>

> Processor : AMD K6-2 (model 8)
>> General Information
CPU ID : 58C
CPU IDEx : 68C
Revision : CXT
Model : AMD-K6™ 3D processor
Codename : Chomper
Technology : 0.25µ
>> Features
VME - Virtual Mode Ext. : Yes
DE - Debugging Extension : Yes
PSE - Page Size Extension : Yes
TSC - Time Stamp Counter : Yes
MSR - Model Specific Registers : Yes
PAE - Physical Address Extension : No
MCE - Machine Check Exception : Yes
APIC - Local APIC Built-in : No
SEP - Fast System Call : No
MTRR - Memory Type Range Reg. : No
PGE - Page Global Enable : Yes
MCA - Machine Check Architecture : No
PAT - Page Attribute Table : No
PSE36 - 36-bit Page Size Extension : No
PSN - Unique Serial Number : No
DS - Debug Trace & EMON Store : No
ACPI - Software Clock Control : No
SS - Self Snoop : No
TM - Thermal Monitor : No
NX - No-execute Page Protection : No
>> Miscellaneous
FPU - Co-processor Built-in : Yes
CX8 - CMPXCHG8B : Yes
CX16 - CMPXCHG16B : No
CMOV - Conditionnal Move Inst. : No
CLF - Cache Line Flush : No
FXSR - Fast Float Save & Restore : No
DAZ - Denormals Are Zero : No
MMX Technology : Yes
SSE Technology : No
SSE2 Technology : No
SSE3 Technology : No
X86-64 Technology : No
AMD MMX Technology : No
3DNow! Technology : Yes
Extended 3DNow! Technology : No
SMP - MP Capability : No
>> Power Status
Voltage Control : No
Frequency Control : No
Thermal Sensor Built-in : No
>> Control Clock Frequency
Type : None
>> Mainboard Upgradebility
Socket/Slot : Socket 7
Upgrade interface : Slot 1
Supported Speed : 300 MHz (or more)
Supported Voltage : 2.2V

> Frequency : 501 MHz
>> General Information
Real Frequency : 501.1 MHz
Multiplier : 5x
>> Front Side Bus Information
Front Side Bus Speed : 100.2 MHz
Bus Speed : 100.2 MHz

> Support : Socket 7

> Cache L1 : 64 Kb
>> General Information
Type : Pipeline Burst, Synchronous
Write Mode : Write-Back
Speed : 40 ns
Place : Internal
Correct : Parity
>> Cache Information
Data Cache : 32 Kb (2-way, 32 bytes line size)
Code Cache : 32 Kb (2-way, 32 bytes line size)

> Cache L2 : 512 Kb
>> General Information
Type : Pipeline Burst
Write Mode : Write-Back
Place : External
>> Cache Information
Associativity : L2-way
Line Size : 0 bytes
Prefetch Logic : No

> Voltage : 2.2V

> FPU Coprocessor : Present
>> General Information
Integrated : Yes
Model : Compatible Intel

<<< Video >>>

> Number of monitor : 1
>> Monitor Information 1
Monitor : Samsung SAMTRON 55E(M) (Plus)
Linked on : SiS 530
Resolution : 800x600
Working desktop : 800x572
Main monitor : Yes

> Monitor Type : Samsung SAMTRON 55E(M) (Plus)
>> General Information
Manufacturer : Samsung
Product ID : SAM1036
Serial Number : 44503135
Manufacture : Week 47 of 1999
Video Input Type : Analogic
Max. Horiz./Vert. Size : 280 mm / 210 mm
Monitor Size : 15 inchs
Gamma Factor : 2.12
DPMS : Yes
DPMS Suspend : Yes
DPMS Standby : Yes
EDID : 1.1
>> Colors management
>> Features
Support DPMS/Energy Star : Yes
Maximum Resolution : 1024,768 pixels
>> Supported Frequencies
720x400 : at 70 Hz
720x400 : at 88 Hz
640x480 : at 60 Hz
640x480 : at 67 Hz
640x480 : at 72 Hz
640x480 : at 75 Hz
800x600 : at 56 Hz
800x600 : at 60 Hz
800x600 : at 75 Hz
832x624 : at 75 Hz
1024x768 : at 87 Hz interlaced
1024x768 : at 60 Hz
1024x768 : at 70 Hz
1024x768 : at 75 Hz
1280x1024 : at 75 Hz

> Video Card : SiS 530
>> General Information
Model : SiS530,620 GUI Accelerator+3D
Bus Type : AGP
Support PnP/DDC : Yes
Refresh : Auto-configuration
>> Bios VESA
Version : 2.0
Manufacturer : SiS
VESA VBE/PM Version : 1.0
Product : 6306
Product Version : 0A
Manufacturer : Silicon Integrated Systems Corp.
Total Memory : 8192 Mb
Used video memory : 1500 Kb (soit 18.31 %)
>> GPU Information
>> Supported Resolutions
640 x 480 in : 16 colours
640 x 480 in : 256 colours
800 x 600 in : 256 colours
1024 x 768 in : 256 colours
640 x 480 in : 65536 colours (16 bits)
800 x 600 in : 65536 colours (16 bits)
1024 x 768 in : 65536 colours (16 bits)
640 x 480 in : 32 bits
800 x 600 in : 32 bits
1024 x 768 in : 32 bits
>> General Features
Width : 211 mm
Height : 158 mm
Pixel per inch : 96x96 dpi
bits per pixel : 32
Colour Bits/Planes : 1
Brushes : -1
Pens : -1
Markers : 0
Device Fonts : 0
Device Colours : -1
Clip Output to Rectangle : Yes
>> Raster Capabilities
Banding : No
Transfer Bitmaps : Yes
Bitmap >64 Kb : Yes
Fonts larger than 64 K : Yes
DIBs : Yes
DIBTODEV : Yes
Flood Fills : No
Scaling : No
StretchBlt : Yes
StretchDIB : Yes
>> Curves Capabilities
Chord Arcs : No
Circles : No
Elipses : Yes
Interiors : Yes
Pie Wedges : No
Rounded Rectangles : No
Styled Borders : Yes
Wide Borders : No
Wide, Styled Borders : No
>> Lines Capabilities
Interiors : No
Markers : No
Polylines : Yes
Polymarkers : No
Styled : Yes
Wide : No
Wide, Styled : No
>> Polygonal Capabilities
Interiors : Yes
Alternate Fill Polygons : Yes
Winding Fill Polygons : No
Rectangles : Yes
Scan Lines : Yes
Styled Borders : Yes
Wide Borders : No
Wide, Styled Borders : No
>> Text Capabilities
Stroke Precision : No
Stroke Clip Precision : Yes
90° Character Rotation : No
Any Angle Character Rotation : No
Independant X-Y Scaling : No
Double Weighted Characters : No
Italic : No
Underline : No
Strikeout : No
Raster Fonts : Yes
Vector Fonts : No

> Current Display : 800x600 pixels in True Colors (32 bits)
>> General Information
Depth : 32 bits/pixel
Refresh Rate : 56,60,72,75,85 Hz
>> ICM Information
Profil : st55e.icm
Copyright : LinoColorCMM © by Heidelberger Druckmaschinen AG
Description : bTRC
Provider : i
Version supported : Windows 5
Compatibility : Windows 4
ICC Signature : Win

> OpenGL : Yes
>> General Information
Manufacturer : Microsoft Corporation
Version : 1.1.0
Renderer : GDI Generic
Acceleration : No, Software
>> Extensions
GL_EXT_bgra : Yes
GL_EXT_paletted_texture : Yes
>> Texture Information
Maximum Texture Size : 1024 x 1024

> GDI Plus : No

<<< Drives >>>

> Number of Hard Disk : 1
>> General Information
IDE Controller : SiS5513 EIDE Controller (A,B step)
>> Informations Hard Disk #1
IDE Connector : #0 (Master Drive)
Model : SAMSUNG SV0844D
Serial Number : 0123J1FKC3
Revision : KU10
Support : ATA/ATAPI-3
Size : 8 Gb
Cache : 480 Kb
ECC Size : 4
Multiple Sector : 16
IORDY : Yes
LBA Mode : Yes
DMA Mode : Yes
Multiword DMA Mode : 2
PIO Mode : PIO 4
UDMA Mode max. : 4 (ATA-66)
UDMA Mode Enabled : 0 (ATA-33)
S.M.A.R.T. : Yes
Power Management : Yes
Acoustic Management : No
Security Mode : No
Write Cache : No
48-bit Address : No
Cylinders : 16383
Heads : 16
Sectors per Track : 63

> Number of CD-ROM Drive : 1
>> General Information
MSCDEX Version : 2.95
IDE Controller : SiS5513 EIDE Controller (A,B step)
>> Informations CD-Rom #1
IDE Connector : #0 (Slave Drive)
Model :
Serial Number :
Revision :
Support : ATA/ATAPI-13
Serial-ATA : Yes
Size : 276 Gb
Cache : 4 112 Kb
ECC Size : 8224
Multiple Sector : 32
IORDY : No
LBA Mode : No
DMA Mode : No
PIO Mode : PIO 8225
UDMA Mode max. : 0 (ATA-33)
UDMA Mode Enabled : 0 (ATA-33)
S.M.A.R.T. : No
Power Management : No
Acoustic Management : No
Security Mode : No
Write Cache : No
48-bit Address : No
>> Informations CD-Rom #2
IDE Connector : #1 (Master Drive)
Model : CD-ROM DRIVE/F5A
Serial Number : MT1198B Fi
Revision : VER
Support : ATA/ATAPI-0
Size : 0 Kb
ECC Size : 0
Multiple Sector : 0
IORDY : Yes
LBA Mode : Yes
DMA Mode : Yes
Multiword DMA Mode : 2
PIO Mode : PIO 4
UDMA Mode max. : 2 (ATA-33)
UDMA Mode Enabled : 0 (ATA-33)
S.M.A.R.T. : No
Power Management : No
Acoustic Management : No
Security Mode : No
Write Cache : No
48-bit Address : No

> Drives Letters : A:\ C:\ D:\ G:\
>> General Information
Boot Drive : C:\

> Floppy Disk : 3½" HD (1.44 Mo)

> Drive C: (Hard Disk) : 3 Gb available on 6 Gb
>> General Information
Disk Type : Hard Disk
Free Space : 52%
>> Drive Information
Volume Name : WIN98SE
Serial Number : 3C3A-1CE3
Files Name : 255 caractères
File Management : FAT32
Volume is Compressed : No
Case Sensitive Search : No
Preserves Filename Case : Yes
Unicode Filenames : Yes
Access Control List : No
Named Streams : No
Object Identifiers : No
Reparse Points : No
Sparse Files : No
User Disk Quotas : No
Individual File Compression : No
Encryption : No
Share : No
>> Logical Features
Sectors per Cluster : 64
Bytes per Sector : 512
Cluster size : 32 Kb
Free Clusters : 65526
Total Clusters : 65526
>> Physical Features
Cylinders : 765
Heads : 255
Sectors per Track : 63
Bytes per Sector : 512
Number of FAT : 2
Sector per FAT : 11990
Sectors per Clusters : 8
Reserved Sectors : 0
Sectors per Track : 63
Total Sectors : -31106
>> Optimization Information
Last Scan/Check : 03 January 2004
Last Optimization : 31 January 2004

> Drive D: (Hard Disk) : 1 Gb available on 2 Gb
>> General Information
Disk Type : Hard drive partition
Free Space : 94%
>> Drive Information
Volume Name : CHARLIE
Serial Number : 1131-13F7
Files Name : 255 caractères
File Management : FAT32
Volume is Compressed : No
Case Sensitive Search : No
Preserves Filename Case : Yes
Unicode Filenames : Yes
Access Control List : No
Named Streams : No
Object Identifiers : No
Reparse Points : No
Sparse Files : No
User Disk Quotas : No
Individual File Compression : No
Encryption : No
Share : No
>> Logical Features
Sectors per Cluster : 64
Bytes per Sector : 512
Cluster size : 32 Kb
Free Clusters : 57414
Total Clusters : 65526
>> Physical Features
Cylinders : 262
Heads : 255
Sectors per Track : 63
Bytes per Sector : 512
Number of FAT : 2
Sector per FAT : 4107
Sectors per Clusters : 8
Reserved Sectors : 0
Sectors per Track : 34556
Total Sectors : 4208967
>> Optimization Information
Last Scan/Check : 30 January 2004
Last Optimization : 31 January 2004

> Drive G: (CD-Rom) : Not accessible
>> General Information
Disk Type : CD-Rom Data
Free Space : 0%
Cache Size : 1238 Kb
Auto-insertion Notification : Yes
Revision : M2.A

<<< Printers >>>

> Universal Driver : Not Installed


<<< Power Status >>>

> Power Status : Yes
>> General Information
Version : APM v1.2
>> ACPI Information
ID : AMI
Version : 1.00
IRQ ACPI INT : 7
APIC MP Support : No
>> Configuration
Mode : Always On
Sleep state : After 0 mn.
Monitor sleep mode : After 0 mn.
Hard drives stop : After 0 mn.
>> Features
Power Button : No
Sleep Button : No
Lid Button : No
Wake-up function : Yes
Display Dimming : No
UPS supply : No
Thermal control : No
Sleep level S1 : Yes
Sleep level S2 : No
Sleep level S3 : No
Sleep level S4 : No
Sleep level S5 : No
Switch power off : No
Sleep state : Yes
Advanced sleep mode : No
>> Drives Power Management Information
Drives Spin Down : Yes
Drive Spin Range : 3 sec. - 3600 sec.

> Battery : No

> Supply : Main supply

<<< Voltage, Temperature and Fans >>>

> Monitoring Chip : Intel Xeon Thermal Sensor
>> General Information
Support : M598LMR
>> Sensor Information
Sensor : Intel Xeon Thermal Sensor en 0x18
Mode : ISA

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***** End of report *****

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QUOTE as far as your new graphs card theroy i do not have any Agp slots what so ever,is there such a card that is compatable?
There are PCI-cards with GeForce 2/4MX GPUs, yes.
Maybe you can find one on E-bay...
QUOTE i tried to install 128 mb of pc133 sdram not to long ago and when i turned my computer on there was no activity at all the screen stayed on stand by as if the computer was off.
Make sure you set your memory to 100MHz in BIOS if possible(don't use 'auto' or 'by SPD'
Did you install the 128MB stick on its own or did you use it together with your existing stick? Was it a known working stick?(tested and working fine in another system)
QUOTE my bios is the orignal one that came pre flashed,i tried to up date it from e-suport.com or somthing like that and they wanted "$40-$60"
You can find BIOS-updates for your motherboard here' ">http://www.pcchipsusa.com/supp...chips-bios.asp#M598LMR.
I recommend you run CPU-Z/SiSoft Sandra/AIDA32 to determine for sure whether your motherboard is the PCChips M598LMR or M599LMR, so you can get the correct BIOS-update.

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the 128 mb stick of ram works fine in the computer i got it out of, i tried it on its own,it works,just not in my con puter ,my mother board is M599LMR pcchips.i also saw no ram speed in the bios like you mentioned,mabye in the upgrade


i downloaded the bios update but all i have is a .ROM file ,how do i flash it?

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QUOTE i downloaded the bios update but all i have is a .ROM file  ,how do i flash it?
Use the AMI Flash-tool' ">http://www.pcchipsusa.com/utility/AMIfl818.ZIP to update your BIOS.
You will need a bootable DOS/Win9x floppy - put both the Flash-tool and .rom file on the disk, boot into DOS and run the Flash-tool.

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i have flashed my bios but i still se no ram selction,as a matter the only change i have seen is the realese date .i wonder could it be my mother board,how can i find out if that is the cause oof it being slow.raw processing power is abnormaly low for this class of processer witch is why im wondering if th motherboard is the problem.


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i found new drivers for my intergrated video and installed them,however there was no change in prefomence.i aslo downloaded some kinda patch thing for my motherboard as well but still no noticeable change in preformence

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Bare in mind that the K6-II series of CPU's suffered a low FPU problem before the Athlons' came in to play. I remember when I had a PII-266 system and my friend had a K6-2 266. The gaming performance wasn't even comparable between my system and his. From what I remember the FPU in a K6-II was half the speed of the actual CPU. EG: 550 MHz CPU running like a 275. I also had the same grief with my K6-2 500 / V3 2000 combo. Moving to a CPU with a stronger FPU solved the issue.

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is there a cpu that is compatable with my motherboard. witch cpu did you switch to?

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I upgraded to an Athlon. Of course, that would require an updated board and RAM updating

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I think the biggest upgrade to go for at the moment is a cheap PCI grafix card - the Geforce 4 MX for instance. Also, the K6-II 550MHz is basically an over-clocked chip already, and getting it to run stable was one thing even AMD had trouble with (hence the 2.3v core as opposed to 2.2v - a typical overclocking trait).

If you play older games, you can get dirt-cheap Voodoo cards that make great use of the K6-X familie's '3DNow!' SIMD instructions. 3DFX - who made the Voodoo card range - really went to town optimising it when paired with the K6-2 and Direct-X 6. I used to have a K6-2 450 (running at 550MHz) paired with a Voodoo 3 3000 and most of the older games ran fine, even one'e like Project IGI. 2D games and Mame emulation runs great, as do emulators for the N64, Spectrum, Megadrive etc. No sweat.

It was only the 16MB of video on the 3000 card and lack of a T&L engine that held it back with newer titles, as well as being limited to a 16-bit colour depth (not really that much of a problem). I think the Voodoo only supports Direct-X upto v7(?).

These days I use a K6-III+ 450@560 MHz and a Geforce 2 Ultra, having tried a Geforce 4 MX and Geforce 4 Ti. Even though you can ramp the resolution up and use FSAA with the faster cards, when the screen gets complex can see the frame rate slump before your eyes due to the CPU bottleneck.

No amount of over-clocking is going to give you adequate frame rates in modern 3D games: the graphics card is reliant on a Socket 7 CPU which can't supply the required geometry data quickly enough for the graphics card requesting it (the graphics card takes the geometry data and then renders it). Even a slow Duron will blow away your K6-2.

What games do I run with the GF2 Ultra? GTA Vice City @ 1280 x 1024 + FSAA; Need for Speed Underground @ 800 x 600 and Unreal Tournament @ 1024 x 768 + FSAA & AF.

I'm not slagging off these CPU's, as for general use like web browsing and cd-burning I run my setup 24/7 with rock-solid performance that's very nippy, but for games I think if you keep investing in your setup you're wasting money. However, as the other folks have said your onboard grafix is a huge bottleneck at the moment and there are also tools you can download like CTU.EXE that will enable registers inside your K6-2 that your motherboard may ignore.

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where can i get this ctu.exe from? and is the ati voodoo card you are talking about a pci version,where can i get one and how much do they cost? i have a very slim budgit($25.00 max) and im stuck with this computer,do you think a duron wil work on my system? i have 512kb L2 cache so this helps right? this on board video card is 8mb max of shared video memory, i also think thie ram in my computer is also slow,not helping much as far as video games goes...any way i would rather find a ati voodoo card and save a processer upgrade as a last resort. i think this ctu program would realy help me out so i hope you can help me in that respect. also i still dont under stand why i cant get my k-6 to run @ 550mhz,i just dont make sence...

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where can i get this ctu.exe from?

Sent you a PM.


is the ati voodoo card you are talking about a pci version,where can i get one and how much do they cost?

It's 3DFX who used to make the Voodoo card, and yes it comes in a PCI variant:

http://search.ebay.co.uk/searc....dll...rty=MetaEndSort

The Voodoo 3 2000 is the card you want to go for. Failing that, go for a Geforce 4 MX 440 PCI version. The Geforce FX is expensive in PCI format.


i have a very slim budgit($25.00 max) and im stuck with this computer,do you think a duron wil work on my system?

To be totally honest with you, I don't think you'd be able to get a Duron running up and running with $25. You'd need the CPU and motherboard because you can't insert a Duron CPU into a Socket 7 motherboard, unfortunately. You can however get boards that accept the Duron/Athlon CPU's with onboard video, but you need to spend more to ensure that as well as onboard video (Geforce 4 MX 440), you get an AGP slot!

i have 512kb L2 cache so this helps right? this on board video card is 8mb max of shared video memory, i also think thie ram in my computer is also slow,not helping much as far as video games goes...

The cache is a type of memory that sits between your CPU (fast) and your main RAM (slow) - a kind of bridge that holds the most-recent instructions and data. Your CPU has some of this "cache" RAM inside (with the K6-2 it has 64K Level 1). So you can see that the cache on your board becomes level 2 cache.

L2 cache plugs the gap to a certain extent between the very fast CPU and the very slow RAM. But, this cache on most socket 7 setups runs at 100MHz, so you can see that when you have a processor running at say 500MHz your cache is useful but it still only runs at 100MHz. A bottleneck. The socket-compatible AMD K6-III CPU is a better chip, because it has its own 64K L1 'and' 256K L2 cache on the chip running at full speed - your board's cache becomes L3. However, the K6-III has all the other same parts as the K6-2, so performance is mainly reliant on that bit of extra cache. So yes, the motherboard's cache helps, but only up to a point and short of changing the CPU you can't improve on it.

As for that onboard video, you're right - it sucks. It bleeds your RAM dry and also creates other problems because of the fact that it's having to share resources when addressing this RAM. Older SIS chipsets are also known to have extremely poor 3D hardware acceloration..

With the main RAM in your computer, it will in the majority of socket 7 boards, only run as fast as the FSB speed of the CPU. If your board supports a K6-2@500, then your RAM will need to run at 100MHz or better; you can usually use PC133 SDRAM but you won't see any speed improvement along the lines of an extra 33MHz. Still worth seeing what you can get out of the BIOS however, as some boards can run the RAM in turbo mode.

any way i would rather find a ati voodoo card and save a processer upgrade as a last resort. i think this ctu program would realy help me out so i hope you can help me in that respect. also i still dont under stand why i cant get my k-6 to run @ 550mhz,i just dont make sence...

Sometimes it's simply down to the board not being designed electrically for such a CPU to remain stable, even though it can in theory. Not having the latest BIOS to recognize it or the CPU itself can often be a apain as well. The K6-2 at 550MHz was AMD's fastest model of this family, and it runs very hot. Also, board manufacturers like PC Chips have actually put code in the BIOS that lies about the core and/or FSB speed, simply because they knew a certain board (M598) would not run properly at the required settings. So pair a fast CPU like this with a board from a company not renowned for telling the truth..

The best thing to do at the moment as long as its cheap, is upgrade your video subsystem. Even if you were able to run your CPU at 900 MHz, it would still not be able to outstrip a dedicated, hardware solution.

On any typical PC gaming rig, there are two types of calcualtions that need to be done in order to create a realistic 3D scene:

1) Your CPU does the geometry calculations
2) The grafix card does a small amount of geometry and all the rendering

Compare that to the old days where the CPU did the geometry and the rendering. Even with slower CPU's like the K6-2 that can't really get the most out of budget cards like the GF4 MX 440/FX 5200, as soon as you lessen the burden of that CPU having to do all the hard work, you instantly notice a major hike in speed and a much-better image than you can ever get in software. Today I was running GTA Vice City at 1600 x 1200 with 2 x FSAA - without the Geforce 2 Ultra under the bonnet pumping out those 25fps, I'd end up with a slideshow.

Grafix chipsets you may also be tempted to buy, but should avoid:

. Nvidia Riva 128
. Nvidia TNT2 M64/Vanta
. Nvidia Geforce 2 MX 200
. Nvidia Geforce 4 MX 420
. Cheap-as-chips PCI cards with "SIS" written on 'em!
. Matrox cards - great for image quality, poor 3D


Grafix chipsets I would recommend:

. 3DFX Voodoo 3 2000
. Nvidia Geforce 2 MX or MX 400
. Nvidia Gefroce 4 MX 440

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Charlie,

About the only thing I can add to Wildcard's excellent post above is that IF, in fact, you do have a PCChips M599LMR there, it is identical to the Matsonic MS-6383E

You can get a lot more info about your mobo, assuming it's a PCChips one, from this page...
http://www.stud.fernuni-hagen....142-...i-bin/pccout.sh' ">http://www.stud.fernuni-hagen....-bin/cgi-bin/pccout.sh

If you are not certain about which version of PCChips mobo you have, then go here...
http://www.stud.fernuni-hagen....142/...hips/pccjs.html' ">http://www.stud.fernuni-hagen....142/pcchips/pccjs.html

For threads about the M598, go here...
http://www.stud.fernuni-hagen....142/...reads.html#M598' ">http://www.stud.fernuni-hagen....hips/threads.html#M598
For threads about the M599, go here...
http://www.stud.fernuni-hagen....142/...reads.html#M599' ">http://www.stud.fernuni-hagen....hips/threads.html#M599

ALL nine versions of the PCChips M598 and M599 mobos used the same SiS530 chipset/video, and for playing games this just sucks the hind teat of a dead cow.
As Wildcard suggests above, get any 1/2 decent PCI vid card in there and you will see an AMAZING difference.

@ Wildcard... anything wrong with a Voodoo3 3000 for this board? Just curious as to why it's not on your 'recommended' list.
Perhaps because of that kinda restrictive $25 price 'ceiling' for building a 'games' computer?

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Hi Milt and thanks,

I should stop staring at your Avatar, because it's affecting my ability to process.

Yeah, there seems to be a premium on the 3000 at the moment; hopefully Charlie22911 can bag one at a good price. I know they come in PCI format, but they're rare however I have seen them a couple of times at my local computer fair, usually stuffed in a bucket with loads of other stuff you cut your fingers trying getting at..

A bit OT..The heatsink that comes with the Voodoo 3000 is quite good - I ripped one off, super-glued it to a busted GF4 MX 440 (AGP) card, and clocked it way over its default speed. The 440 had a blown fan although some came without them so I guess that's why it worked with just a passive cooler setup. It's quite large and the Voodoo is known to kick out a lot of heat, so it worked quite well - I'm sure with a glued fan you could get more. Thanks, 3DFX!

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i have added 128Mb of pc 133 sdram to my computer to make a total of 160Mb of ram.noticeable improvement in speed.about the video card thing,i have found 3 possibiltys on e-bay, a 16 Mb 3dfx banshee,16 Mb 3dfx voodoo and a 32 Mb 3dfx Voodoo 4500.
what will give me better preformance for my setup?i also finaly got a e-mail back from amd today,they said i needed a patch from microsoft however i have searched every possobilty for finding the patch but no luck.
this will be the last bit of help needed. i aperciate you guys helping and hope you will help me here,like they say 2 or more heads are better than 1.

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