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Created On: 11/09/2004 07:58 PM
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 11/09/2004 07:58 PM
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mikbik
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what could be the problem? help pls..
 11/10/2004 12:16 AM
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eddaweaver
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I don't know what you're asking
 11/10/2004 06:08 PM
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Heat, or excess heat.

This sounds to me like your CPU (or some other component inside your case) is getting too hot, after a period of intense use. (playing video games or sound files qualifies as 'intense use'
The next time it hangs on you, when you reboot go straight into your CMOS to your 'Hardware Monitor', (or 'PC health' page and check your CPU and System temperatures.

In order to determine if this WAG of mine is correct, try pulling one side off of your case, and just set up a small desk fan blowing cool air directly into the box.
See if that helps to extend the length of time before the system hangs, and please let us know what you find out.

If it helps, then you'll immediately KNOW that it's a heat related problem, and now it's just a question of 'Which component?', and 'What can we do about it?'.
This is the 'quick & cheap & dirty way' to find out if something is getting too hot.
But it WORKS like a charm!


There are many easy, and inexpensive, ways to cool things down, if that's what's needed, and I believe that it is.

Lapping your current HS is one, and it's usually good for a 3 to 5° Celsius drop in CPU temps... just ask, if you need more instructions...
http://www.themodfathers.jolt....age=...on=show&id=6153' ">http://www.themodfathers.jolt....e=&action=show&id=6153

Using the Arctic Silver paste, (if you aren't already), as a TIM (Thermal Interface Material) is good for another 3 to 5°C drop in CPU temps.
http://www.arcticsilver.com/index.html' ">http://www.arcticsilver.com/index.html

And here's a $5 'cooling solution', that actually works!
Details can be found here... http://superfan.freewebspace.com/' ">http://superfan.freewebspace.com/


When it comes to case ventilation, it is much more important to get the hot air out, than to blow cool air in.
There are lots of air inlet points at the bottom, and particularly at the bottom front, of ANY case.
It's getting the hot air out of the case that's so difficult.

A single, large, exhaust fan (or two smaller ones, side by side), at the very top of the case is the best solution, but that requires that you somehow cut a hole in the very top of the case yourself.
Grolschie's instructions can be found here...
http://radel.inet.net.nz/vents.html' ">http://radel.inet.net.nz/vents.html

And here's how a friend in England did the above...
http://www.rhcf.com/sis-bin/ul....cgi...15;t=000088;p=2' ">http://www.rhcf.com/sis-bin/ul...opic;f=15;t=000088;p=2

I can't understand why case manufactures won't put a nice round 80mm or 90mm hole, with a simple chrome grill covering it, at the top center of their case.
This would allow the hot air inside the case to rise, by simple convection, and exit through the hole.
It just makes too much sense, I guess!

Second best is a single exhaust fan at the back of the case, just below the PSU.

Are you sure that the fan in your PSU is working?
It should be blowing a lot of hot air out the back of your case.

Or, just buy a better CPU HS/F, and if you prefer cool AND quiet, then go to watercooling.

Here's a couple of inexpensive solutions, both from Newegg.com, first, for $10.99...
http://www.newegg.com/app/View...esc....epa=0§ion=3' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/View...6-603&depa=0§ion=3


And for just a little more ($14.99), here's one that a friend just bought two of, and he's happily running his 2200+ Barton Mobile at 3200+ speeds...
http://www.newegg.com/app/View...esc....-103-143&depa=0' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=35-103-143&depa=0


Below this point we are no longer in the 'cheap & easy' solutions... this stuff gets expensive!

The fan I like, and want to try, but haven't yet, is the CoolerMaster AERO4 Lite...
I like the concept of using the 'Squirrel Cage' type blower... there is no 'hole' in the center, where the CPU core is actually located, that is blocked by the fan's motor (as it IS, when using any 'normal' fan).

It's available here in Canada with a low-medium-high fan speed switch, for $24.99 CAD = >$20 US from...
http://216.221.48.34/Itemdesc.asp?CartId=

Combine the above with any 1/2 decent, solid copper, thin-fin, heatsink, and you'll have a winner!

ThermalrightSLK900A... $46.99 from Newegg... http://www.newegg.com/app/view...esc....-109-011&depa=1' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/view...tion=35-109-011&depa=1


Swiftech_MCX462-V... $43.99 also from Newegg... http://www.newegg.com/app/view...esc....-108-020&depa=1' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/view...tion=35-108-020&depa=1


CoolerMaster_HYPER 6 KHC-V81... $49.99 also from Newegg... http://www.newegg.com/app/View...esc....-103-144&depa=0' ">http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=35-103-144&depa=0


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 11/11/2004 03:50 PM
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I believe mikbik could be talking about a 56K modem, that while connected to internet can disconnect. If your ISP has a hang up after dissuse policy that could be one issue.
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