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 02/05/2008 09:36 PM
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amdduron900mhz
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Hi i know this sounds stupid but is it possble to run a socket 462 motherboard using an athlon thunderbird slot A cpu.Is there any interface available.I ask this question because i have bought 15 cpu's on ebay i thought they were socket 462 but when they arrived i got this surprise : 15 slot A thunderbird's.Thanks in advance
 02/06/2008 12:04 PM
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To my knowledge, there were no slocket adapters made to adapt slot A CPUs to socket A motherboards. Sorry.

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 02/06/2008 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by: Neon

To my knowledge, there were no slocket adapters made to adapt slot A CPUs to socket A motherboards. Sorry.


I'll look for their pinouts i am sure there is a way to make athlon slot cpus to work on socket 462 motherboards.
 02/06/2008 09:53 PM
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OK - here is a direct link to AMD's data sheet for Slot A CPUs to get you started:

http://www.amd.com/us-en/asset...d_tech_docs/21016.pdf

Note that slot A has 242 pins and socket A has 462 pins, so a 1-to-1 correlation of signals may be a significant challenge.

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 02/07/2008 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by: Neon

OK - here is a direct link to AMD's data sheet for Slot A CPUs to get you started:



http://www.amd.com/us-en/asset..._docs/21016.pdf



Note that slot A has 242 pins and socket A has 462 pins, so a 1-to-1 correlation of signals may be a significant challenge.

Thank you
Not all of Socket 462 Athlon thunderbird pins are electrically connected to the motherboard i mean there are a lot of NC (Not Connected)pins.
 02/10/2008 03:42 AM
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I am seriously doubting this will work lol. slot 1 and socket 370 may have worked, but slot A and socket A .... eh... i dont see the point anyways besides you just want to be able to use the old cpu's you got. id be interested in getting something like that working too, but i just dont think it is possible, or at least there are no solutions currently availible.

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CPU: Mobile Athlon 64 4000+ Newark core @ 3ghz (240*12.5)
Mobo: ASUS K8N (HT link @ 960mhz and good @ 1ghz+ also with 250*12)
RAM: 512mb DDR400 + 1GB DDR500 @ DDR460 (2.5-3-3-10 2T)
PSU: 350w nspire?

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 02/10/2008 08:45 AM
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Erm, isn't a Thunderbird socket A(462) anyway? Is there such a thing as a slot A Thunderbird?

What's the opn on the cpu?

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 02/10/2008 12:10 PM
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Seems they made a few slot A Thunderbirds from 650 to 1000 MHz.

http://www.cpu-world.com/info/AMD/AMD_Athlon.html

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 02/10/2008 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by: Superdude688

I am seriously doubting this will work lol.
- Dave


Of course it won't, but the guy's got 15 CPUs he can't return, and is willing to try to make it work.

There are several significant hurdles here.

1. At least 240 wires need to be soldered from the card edge connectors to the socket, although many of the pins just go to ground, so that might help reduce the complexity.

2. The functionality and voltages required by the socket A board, which has a different chipset than the slot A boards, must be duplicated by the slot A CPU. This will require careful checking of tech docs, if that info is even available.

3. Will all of those extra connecting wires have crosstalk issues? Extra resistance that affects timings?

4. How will the slot A CPU be mounted in this system?

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 02/11/2008 10:49 AM
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Here are their specs:

Their OPN's are A0650MPR24B A
Type Microprocessor
Part number AMD-A0650MPR24B A
Processor core Thunderbird (Model 4)
Manufacturing process 0.18 micron
37 million transistors
Package Card Module
Socket Slot A
Speed (MHz) 650
Bus frequency (MHz) 100
Clock multiplier 6.5
Low power features Halt state
Stop Grant states
Sleep state
Probe state

Other features MMX technology
Enhanced 3DNow! Technology with 24 new instructions

Level 1 cache size 2-way set associative 64 KB code
2-way set associative 64 KB data
Level 2 cache size Full-speed on-die 256 KB
Floating Point Unit Integrated
V core (V) 1.7
Min/Max operating temperature (°C) 0 - 70
Min/Typical/Max power dissipation (W) 5 (Stop Grant mode) / 32.4 / 36.1

Notes on AMD AMD-A0650MPR24B A:
Bus frequency is 100 MHz. Because the processor uses Double Data Rate bus the effective bus speed is 200 MHz.

According to this they share the thunderbird core with socket versions
 02/20/2008 10:31 PM
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unless you are uber hardcore and have awesome soldering skills and an awesome iron and a whole week of time to dedicate to this task (and you might only get one or two done in a week if its at all possible), id either sell back the cpus on ebay (if i get the wrong part i usually wait a few weeks then sell them back to whoever bids) or go buy some slot a boards.

anyways, for intel systems, the slockets were to make 370pin cpu's work on slot 1 motherboards, so what youre doing is the reverse which i dont think has ever been done. there was never a way to make a slot cpu work on a socket board, its just crazy. you will probably spend more on solder and wires than you would buying a stack of slot a boards no1 wants.

- Dave

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*update*
CPU: Mobile Athlon 64 4000+ Newark core @ 3ghz (240*12.5)
Mobo: ASUS K8N (HT link @ 960mhz and good @ 1ghz+ also with 250*12)
RAM: 512mb DDR400 + 1GB DDR500 @ DDR460 (2.5-3-3-10 2T)
PSU: 350w nspire?

h4x to teh m4x.
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