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Topic Title Upgrade From Amd Athlon II 6000+


Date Posted: 12/06/2010 12:34 PM
Posted By: xdjwillzx (Lurker)

AMD Phenom X4 9850[/B
HD9850XAJ4BGH - AMD Phenom X4 9850 AM2+, Quad Core, 2.5GHz, 4MB Total Cache, 125W, OEM
( this one is a little cheaper by £20)

AMD CPU Athlon II 640
ADX640WFGMBOX - AMD Athlon II X4 640, Propus, Quad Core, S AM3, 3GHz, 2MB Total Cache, HT 2000MHz, 95W, Retail

im guna upgrade my cpu in the next few days and was wondering which to upgrade to?
or infact if you have any more recommendations i would appreciate this.

Motherboard
asrock alivenf6g-vsta

thanks in advanced



Date Posted: 12/06/2010 12:50 PM
Posted By: MrWicked1968 (Drunk Mouse Syndrome)

Asrock doesn't list any AM3 cpus that are compatible with that motherboard although it does hint that AM3 cpus can be used.

It doesn't list the 9850 either, but it does support the Phenom X4 9500 and 9600 B2 Agenas. The 9850 B3 was the replacement for the early Phenoms with the tLB errata bug. So, I'd say that it is compatible.

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Date Posted: 12/06/2010 12:53 PM
Posted By: xdjwillzx (Lurker)

this is what it says on my motherboard website so they must be compatible.

(If you use AM3 / AM2+ CPU on AM2 chipset motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0 (5200 MT/s) to HT1.0 (2000 MT/s), but the CPU frequency will not be influenced.)



Date Posted: 12/06/2010 01:09 PM
Posted By: MrWicked1968 (Drunk Mouse Syndrome)

I read that too, but before you buy one, make sure that the latest BIOS includes support for AM3 CPU's.

http://www.bios-mods.com/forum...eNF6G-VSTA-CPU-Support read this thread.

you have a much better chance of the 9850 working than an AM3

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Date Posted: 12/06/2010 01:13 PM
Posted By: xdjwillzx (Lurker)

2.20 1/2/2008 DOS 598.69KB Update AGESA code (disable TLB for Phenom B2 CPU).
^^ this is the latest bios update for my motherboard and i currently have it installed
will i notice much difference from a amd 6000+ duel core to the phenomx4?

thanks for your help



Date Posted: 12/06/2010 01:19 PM
Posted By: MrWicked1968 (Drunk Mouse Syndrome)

in terms of clock speed, the Phenom is slower, but it has Level 3 cache.

Honestly, I don't think you'll see an appreciable boost in performance except in multi-threaded apps.

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Date Posted: 12/06/2010 01:21 PM
Posted By: xdjwillzx (Lurker)

i had this one AMD CPU Athlon II 640 in mind but i dont know what to do as my motherboard says it wont support am3 cpus
so im kinda confused what to do/ or what cpu to even try



Date Posted: 12/06/2010 01:25 PM
Posted By: MrWicked1968 (Drunk Mouse Syndrome)

it's probably not worth trying. Asrock appears to have moved on and is no longer writing updated BIOS's for that motherboard, although it definitely has some AM2+ motherboards that support AM3 processors.

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Date Posted: 12/06/2010 01:27 PM
Posted By: xdjwillzx (Lurker)

so if i wanted a cpu upgrade i would have to buy a new motherboard?
i see my motherboard isnt to clever now



Date Posted: 12/06/2010 01:31 PM
Posted By: MrWicked1968 (Drunk Mouse Syndrome)

AM3 motherboard, AM3 CPU and DDR3 memory, or AM2+/AM3 motherboard, AM3 cpu and keep your current DDR2 memory

here in the US that can be accomplished for less than $200 USD. In the UK, with the VAT and higher prices in general, not sure what you'd have to spend.

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Date Posted: 12/06/2010 01:42 PM
Posted By: xdjwillzx (Lurker)

so this 1 wudnt work in my motherbaord because of the bios updating ?
AMD CPU Athlon II 640

but amd leave a message like this "f you use AM3 / AM2+ CPU on AM2 chipset motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0 (5200 MT/s) to HT1.0 (2000 MT/s), but the CPU frequency will not be influenced."

so i think its got to work some way or another.



Date Posted: 12/06/2010 01:53 PM
Posted By: MrWicked1968 (Drunk Mouse Syndrome)

if you look at other Asrock motherboards, all of their AM2+ motherboards have a similar disclaimer. I am going strictly by the CPU compatibility table Asrock provides for that particular motherboard.

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Date Posted: 12/06/2010 01:54 PM
Posted By: xdjwillzx (Lurker)

yeah i understand bro i guess its just either ask some 1 who has tried it or buy a new motherboard

thanks very much for your help!



Date Posted: 12/10/2010 02:37 PM
Posted By: batuchka (Case Modder)

Hmm TS if u live near a Microcenter and since u on DDR2 just hit the $96 Propus 640 + Biostar A780L combo ^^

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Date Posted: 12/25/2010 08:30 PM
Posted By: candle_86 (Case Modder)

Well to be honest I went from an X2 6400 to a Phenom 9650 and oc'd it to 2.6 and my X2 6400 was still faster i wouldnt go with a Phenom 1 unless gaming isnt your main thing, I did get better render times

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