I have been following this thread for a while now. I owe a Gigabyte GA-MA790GP-DS4H with HD3300 and got exactly the same problems with 2D performance. I got 2GB of RAM and a 4850e CPU alongside it.

I had a few conversations with Gigabyte and ATI using their tickets systems, but no luck so far. So far to me there seems to be no other cause than the Catalyst drivers. Hopefully we will get working drivers soon.

I did found out that the new Google Chrome browser has barely any scrolling issues like Firefox 3 has. You could consider downloading Iron Portable (a Chrome variant, but more secure in terms of privacy and it won't modify any registry items or create folders on your HDD). http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_download.php . Personally this browser is not sufficient for my needs, but it makes an enormous difference in terms of performance. 2D performance in other applications remain problematic though.

I was wondering whether an additional HD3450 videocard would solve this problem completely? And can I keep using my regular HDMI connection in that case? If this would solve the problem, I don't mind sticking in a HD3450 for a few weeks, they are very cheap. Please let me know.

I just found the latest 8.11 RC1 drivers, still in testing fase, but it has a new OpenGL and new 2D Driver. Perhaps this will solve our issues.

You can find the driver here:
http://www.driverheaven.net/vista-radeon-display-drivers/171282-catalyst-8-11-rc1-8-542-download.html

If anyone has tested it already, let me know what your results are.

THIS POST IS RELATED TO THE 780G ALTHOUGH IT DISCUSSES A FEW THINGS.

8800GS (9600GSO) vs HD4670



OK, I wanted to say first off that the 9600GSO is the same as the 8800GS. However, I read that Nvidia planned on coming out with a 9600GSO that would be less powerful. If you wanted to have an idea how powerful it is, it’s a slightly slower version of the 8800GT. On the techpowerup benchmarks in Unreal Tournament 3, it had about the same framerates as the HD4670.



Another thing that I wanted to note was that I took off the Glaciator heatsink off the Asus 8800GS (I sealed the anti-static bag and put it in the freezer to do it lol) and installed a Thermalright HR-03 GT and then put on a 92mm Nexus fan. (OK, I have to say Thermalright really has to provide a way better fan mounting mechanism so you can install the fan more easily and more snug. That was a nightmare. Also, it would be nice to be able to use the Nexus rubber mounts to put on the fan.) Yes, it may seem like an expensive proposition for a cheap card ($53 CDN after $30 rebate if I get it), but I wanted to see how quiet my computer could get with all Nexus fans in my computer on a fan controller (Sunbeam Rheobus Extreme). In any case, I discovered that by lowering the fan speed to 0, I was able to determine that the only source of real sound comes from my Fortron PSU which has a Yate Loon 120mm fan (even though those fans are apparently the same as Nexus). I’ve determined that the only way to get more silence would be to have a Silverstone Nightjar ST45NF power supply and have a case that has solid metal all the way around except the back. (The case I have has a plastic front but also holes on the side panel.) I might also need a desk where the computer is surrounded by wood if you know what I mean. That would affect temperatures but I would have silence.



The reason I got the 8800GS was to confirm that my HD4670 had some problems with my Asus M3A78-EM motherboard (780G chipset). I noticed with the 8800GS installed on that mobo, when installing UT2004, that after inserting the disk in my drive, it would start reading the DVD faster and also then after clicking on install, it would start way quicker. The problems with this motherboard are discussed here:

http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=279&threadid=99753&STARTPAGE=3&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

Also, the images did not appear block by block during the UT2004 installation with the 8800GS. I ended up deciding to keep the 8800GS for that computer and putting the HD4670 in my other computer for reasons I’ll describe later. I can also add that with both video cards on that motherboard (Asus M3A78-EM), my 3DMark06 scores were the lowest compared with other results online. I’ve tried swappping hardware and different drivers and looking at various settings. I even got OCZ official support to determine exact settings for the RAM. So, I would hesitate to recommend that motherboard. (If I happen to get another mobo/CPU/RAM for my other computer in the next 3 months, I’ll post results on the anandtech motherboard forum if I resolve the problem .)



The Geforce 8800GS:

* very smooth movement when turning in a video game (way more playable)

* 1080p Quicktime movie trailers look more pale but somehow seems more ‘natural’

* turning on noise reduction and edge enhancement causes flickering in 1080p Quicktime movie trailers



The HD 4670:

* disturbing blur when moving mouse quickly while playing video games

* 1080p Quicktime movie trailers have richer colors (seems more enjoyable)

* causes delays with Asus M3A78-EM motherboard (and maybe other 780G mobos)



I’d like to say here that the blur when moving my mouse in a video game is not just an issue with the HD4670, but also my old X1650XT. I now feel like I had been victimized for a long time with my video card because I didn’t know the difference. The 8800GS gives me a more natural feel and I should be able to play way better now with no hesitation when I want to turn quickly. So, you can see how that changes everything. That’s why I decided to keep the 8800GS in my other machine and use that as a gaming machine. And I decided to keep the HD4670 and use it in my work computer because of the richer colors on videos.



Since the 8800GS had paler colors than the HD4670 while playing 1080p videos, I installed Asus Splendid for the 8800GS to see if I could get richer colors but it didn’t seem to make much of a difference.



Just so you know, with the ATI CCC, pulldown detection is under Avivo Video> Basic Quality. With the Nvidia Control Panel, Edge enhancement and Noise reduction is under Video & Television >Adjust video image settings. These features are described in the tomshardware article:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/avivo-vs-purevideo,1492-3.html



I then decided to test 1080p Quicktime movie trailers with the HD4670 on my older computer (2.4GHz Athlon single core socket 939). There was no audio lag once I installed the HDMI driver (for some of the 1080p Quicktime videos). (Why some and not others, I have no idea. They were all on the same Apple website.) (I couldn’t find the HDMI driver on the AMD website so lol, I got it from the Asus website for the M3A78-EM motherboard. For whatever reason, that worked. lol) I’m using on-board audio so I’m not sure why the audio lag would be gone for some videos after installing the HDMI driver. However, with pulldown detection enabled in the CCC, there was audio lag.



By the way, does anyone think that 33’C to 38’C is normal for an 8800GS with Thermalright HR-03 GT with a fan on it? (I read using an HR-03 GT with no fan on an 8800 series is not recommended.) The only program that would detect the temps was Asus SmartDoctor and those were the temperatures.



Both computers have WinXP and 2GB of RAM.



So, for now, I’ll try to play all videos on my work computer with the HD4670 unless I see some lag. Then I can use my gaming computer with the dual core 2.8GHz and 8800GS for those videos that show lag on my single core computer. If I notice that’s not acceptable after trying lots of videos, then I’ll get a new mobo/CPU/RAM for my work computer. I don’t have a Blu-Ray drive but if I do get one, it may have to be an external one so I could test both computers.



My hardware on my gaming rig:

Asus M3A78-EM

Athlon X2 5400+ Brisbane

2GB OCZ special ops 800MHz RAM

Asus 8800GS

My work computer:
Abit AT8 32X
Athlon 4000+ San Diego
2GB OCZ Platinum 400MHz RAM
His IceQ HD4670

I’d also like to add that my work computer is mostly passive so it’s nearly silent. I could not really hear the HIS HD4670 in my work computer.

If I do get another mobo/CPU/RAM for my work computer, it may be a Phenom CPU next time with 1066MHz RAM to make sure I eliminate any possible source of lag. And I would choose a mobo with Nvidia chipset and perhaps Corsair RAM. I prefer full-sized ATX mobos with on on-board video.

I have experienced a similar problem in another program: I'm using aMSN (latest version) for instant messeging, because I don't like Microsoft's MSN or Live Messengers. Well, while chatting there is no problem at all, but yesterday in the evening I had a video chat with a friend (I don't have a Webcam, but he does). When the webcam window is opened (approx. 200x200 pixels in size, I guess) the performance sinks rapidly and the CPU usage rises up to 30 - 40 %. Hardware acceleration is always on. As soon as this window was closed this lack of performance were gone and CPU usage sunk to a normal value.

Maybe this is just an issue with aMSN, I don't know, because it was the first time I used that function with this program. I have to look into aMSN's support forum...

Mainboard: GigaByte MA78G-DS3H
CPU: AMD Athlon X2 4850e
RAM: Kingston ValueRAM DIMM 4 GB DDR2-800
OS: Windows XP Professional SP3
PCIe: GeCube Radeon HD3450

i've tried the 8.11rc1 drivers  ... i had no problems installing them (790gx ... asus m3a78-t)

and ... the problems are still there ...

Font Smoothing [Disable] : good performance

Font Smoothing [Standard] : less performance

Font Smoothing [ClearType] : bad performance

I've installed Vista Business yesterday and everything was worked fine. No more lockups and slow downs. It is so sad,  the hardware manufacturers are forcing us to use Vista and not caring of XP drivers.

Well, that's bad. I'm not going to migrate to Vista under any circumstances, only to get something to work, that is supposed to work on ANY OS!

Anyway, I'm sick of waiting for AMD/ATI to fix this issue, so I ordered a graphics card. And then I hope this issue will be past! What irony...

Mainboard: GigaByte MA78G-DS3H
CPU: AMD Athlon X2 4850e
RAM: Kingston ValueRAM DIMM 4 GB DDR2-800
OS: Windows XP Professional SP3
PCIe: GeCube Radeon HD3450

So... I installed my new card (GeCube Radeon HD3450), reinstalled the drivers (8.10)... and what shall I say? The performance issues in Firefox 3 are no more!

Good thing, though, but I hate to know that I had to spend 50 Euro for an additional card only to get this freaking issue go.

Mainboard: GigaByte MA78G-DS3H
CPU: AMD Athlon X2 4850e
RAM: Kingston ValueRAM DIMM 4 GB DDR2-800
OS: Windows XP Professional SP3
PCIe: GeCube Radeon HD3450

I' have the same problems with my new Ati x4870.

1. The scrolling in the Internet Explorer 7.

2. When I scroll over my Rocketdock the icons don't smooth anymore.

The CPU load is about 30%.

I hope there will be a new driver which stops that problems in 2D-applications, otherwise I will give the graphics card back.

My old x1950xtx hasn't such problems.

Just to add to the list of disgrunted users.

Biostar TA790GX A2+

AMD Athlon X2 BE-2400

4 GB Corsair XMS2 RAM

Booting off 2x Samsung HD103UJ in Raid 1

Windows XP SP3 (32-bit)

SOYO Topaz S 24" LCD (1920x1200 @ 60 Hz)

I've already made a extensive thread with my troubles at Anandtech (http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=32&threadid=2234466&enterthread=y).

• DVI output unusable.
• HDMI output generally okay, but during "heavy" graphics use, such as a full screen iTunes visualization, the screen blanks out. If I drag a firefox window with many graphics in it around very fast, the screen blanks out as well.
• I've tested the screen on a Macbook and it's fine.
• I used it with my old AGP 4x GeForce 6200 and it worked fine.
• I'm using Catalyst 8.11 drivers.
• Using Iron Portable alleviates the slow scrolling problem. Furthermore, I can drag the screen around smoothly.
• I've played with the UMA Frame Buffer memory size.
• According to GPU-Z, my GPU clock is 0 MHz (see http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~et/images/hd3300.gif)
• The GPU clock varies between 60-700 in the AMD OverDrive Utility. It appears that the display blanks out when the GPU clock goes too high.
• I've tried disabling Cool 'n Quiet, GPU throttling, etc. to no avail.
• I've updated to the latest BIOS.

any1 tried 8.12 official ?

I heard that 8.12 Beta RC3 is newer than 8.12 official

I just installed 8.12 official and the firefox scrolling is much improved. My display still blanks out when using a full screen itunes visualization. Quickly dragging the corner of a firefox windw (and thus resizing it quickly) is also much smoother. Does anyone know if these problems persist in XP 64-bit?

Hi,

Installed 8.12 on XPx64 without problems.
Seems that the Firefox scroll issue is fixed.

Confirmed

(Catalyst 8.12)

I can also confirm this works:

AMD 5000+ OC - 2.91 GHz

GigaByte MA78G-DS3H

2 GB RAM

Windows Xp 32 bit SP3

Symantec Antivirus

These things are fixed:

Firefox:

- no scroll lag

- no flash lag ... ie on http://www.mediafire.com

- no "top bar notification" lag

- No CTRL+T new tab lag

- No heavy page lag.... ie. http://reader.google.com

Basically Everything is fixed!

This site still lags **A bit**.

Hello.

I've had a similar issue with my motherboard since I got it. 

I have a Gigabyte ga-ma78gm-s2h (rev. 1.0), Phenom 8450, 4 gig ram, etc.

Previously, I used a Radeon X300, but decided to try the onboard gfx with this build.  As soon as I noticed the unbelievably slow typing speed on various forums and other sites (like Twitter), I knew something was wrong.

Besides the delayed input on text boxes, my audio was glitching every time I struck a key.  Listining to some tunes while writing my novel was not possible now, when it certainly was before (Opteron 170, Nvidia 6150/430).

I disabled the onboard video and installed the x300 to see if it made a difference.  It did...to some extent.  Text boxes are fine now, but audio is still glitchy while typing.  (This happens with movies, as well.)

I tried everything I can think of.  Onboard audio or pro audio (Mackie Firewire audio interface) doesn't make a difference.

I did a fresh XP install, mucked around with every version of Catalyst driver, enabled/disabled hardware acceleration, etc.  Nothing.

It has to be the chipset.  I have never had these issues before.

The only thing left is to purchase another (non-7-series) motherboard, which I intend to do tomorrow.  Well, either that or get a new video card...hum...

Is there anything else I can try?

Regards.

System Specs:

AMD Phenom 8450

4g OCZ 6400 RAM

Gigabyte ga-ma78gm-s2h (rev. 1.0)

Radeon X300 with 8.12 drivers (DVI-D)

WD Raptor

Other Drives

Mackie Onyx Firewire audio interface

XP Pro SP3 with latest patches

I have the the exact same board (rev.1.0) and have the exact same issue where typing can interrupt audio or video - it can apparently be fixed by enabling USB keyboard support in the BIOS - see these two posts on avsforum:

post one

post two

I can confirm 8.12 fixes the browser lag issue.

Amazing.  After weeks of fooling with every setting in the bios, it happens to be the one I didn't check because I was using a ps/2 kbd/mouse!

Insane.

Still, I'm sticking to my X300 until everything's 100% in 2D-land.

Thanks so much!  Regards.

Yes, I just enabled USB and the problem seems to have gone away. What issue with 2D are you concerned about 8.12 seems to fix the browser lag for me.

Here's how this issue seems to be (partially) fixed for me.

I bought a HD2400 (Legacy PCI 2.2) because i wanted a cheap video card for a dual monitor setup and my board is too old and does not have PCIe and AGP4X cards are nearly impossible to find.

Catalyst driver version: 9.1

Motherboard: GA-8SiML

So i hooked up my syncmaster 2443bw monitor to the DVI port of the card and my IIyama prolite e434s to the ANALOG D-SUB port of the onboard video card (the motherboard is using a SiS 650 with integrated video).

Right away i noticed the slow refresh and lagging screen output when the Windows XP login screen appeared. It seemed even worse while using firefox or IE and it was also present while browsing folders on the hdd.

I removed the old catalyst drivers using the ATI removal utility and installed the latest catalyst drivers. after reboot it seemd that the old drivers had not been removed. strange...I even got a few BSOD's while trying to install the catalyst software.

The only way i could force the HD2400 to get redetected was by removing the SiS 650 VGA drivers and removing the "installed" HD2400 drivers together and rebooting the machine.

I also discovered that the only way to get the video output to display correctly (i.e. send signal out first through DVI on HD2400 instead of onboard port) was to set the VGA boot in the BIOS to "External AGP" which does not make sense to me...

The lagging remained however. Then i discovered that if i set my secondary screen as disconnected in display properties, the lagging issue disappeared! Strangely however, if i set my secondary screen as connected and hooked it up to the D-SUB port of the HD2400 instead of the onboard D-SUB, the lagging would return. So i i haven't been able to even use the dual monitor setup for which i bought the card in the first place.

I don't know if this has something to do with my onboard video which i can't disable in the BIOS, but after reading this thread it seems that other people are experiencing this also with different boards and different cards.

So, has anyone with XP found a solution?  Has anyone tried the chipset with a beta of Windows 7?  Does that solve the problem?

have anyone get 3dmark in your system especialy for 3dmark2003, i tried 3dmark2006 can't run in my system window xp 32bit.

my spech

abit a-s78h

kingston 2x1 gb value 5-6-6-6-18

hardisk seagate 120gb ata

power suplly enlight 400 watt.

i haven't discrete vga now.

thanks.