 12/07/2012 02:06 PM
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Disturbeddragon1 Peon
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Hi everyone, quick question for anyone knowledgeable about graphics cards specifications. My question is would a XFX - Core Edition Radeon HD 7750 2GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 3.0 card be better than my current Sapphire Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16? I currently have two of the HD 5770s normally crossfired, but one is ATI instead of Sapphire which I believe may be having issues with that, and since Bestbuy has the 7750s on sale right now I'd see if it is worth upgrading to those cards. I'll also attach my specs from Speccy for more info about my cards and setup at the bottom of this post.
Summary
Operating System
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1
CPU
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T 72 °F
Thuban 45nm Technology
RAM
16.0 GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 595MHz (9-9-9-24)
Motherboard
ASUSTeK Computer INC. M4A88TD-V EVO/USB3 (AM3) 92 °F
Graphics
VE228 (5760x1080@60Hz)
ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series (ATI) 133 °F
Hard Drives
596GB Western Digital WDC WD6400AAKS-00A7B2 ATA Device (SATA) 94 °F
Optical Drives
WD Virtual CD 1110 USB Device
HL-DT-ST BD-RE BH12LS38 ATA Device
Audio
SB Recon3D PCIe
Operating System
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1
Computer type: Desktop
Installation Date: 18 November 2012, 15:55
Windows Security Center
User Account Control (UAC) Enabled
Notify level 1 - Rare Notify
Firewall Enabled
Antivirus Enabled
Windows Update
AutoUpdate Notify prior to download
Windows Defender
Windows Defender Disabled
.NET Frameworks installed
v4.5 Full
v4.5 Client
v3.5 SP1
v3.0 SP2
v2.0 SP2
Device Tree
ACPI x64-based PC
Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Processor
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Processor
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Processor
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Processor
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Processor
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Processor
System board
ACPI Power Button
Microsoft Windows Management Interface for ACPI
ACPI Fixed Feature Button
PCI bus
ATI I/O Communications Processor SMBus Controller
ATI I/O Communications Processor PCI Bus Controller
PCI standard host CPU bridge
PCI standard host CPU bridge
PCI standard host CPU bridge
PCI standard host CPU bridge
PCI standard host CPU bridge
Motherboard resources
PCI standard host CPU bridge
Motherboard resources
PCI Express standard Root Port
ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series
Generic PnP Monitor
Generic PnP Monitor
Generic PnP Monitor
High Definition Audio Controller
AMD High Definition Audio Device
PCI Express standard Root Port
VIA 1394 OHCI Compliant Host Controller
Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
ATA Channel 0
ATA Channel 1
PCI Express standard Root Port
NEC Electronics USB 3.0 Host Controller
NEC Electronics USB 3.0 Root Hub
Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
ATA Channel 1
ATA Channel 0
HL-DT-ST BD-RE BH12LS38 ATA Device
Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
USB Root Hub
USB Composite Device
USB Input Device
HID Keyboard Device
USB Input Device
HID-compliant device
HID-compliant consumer control device
Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller
USB Root Hub
USB Mass Storage Device
WD My Book 1110 USB Device
WD Virtual CD 1110 USB Device
WD SES Device
Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
USB Root Hub
USB Composite Device
USB Input Device (Logitech Download Assistant)
HID Keyboard Device
USB Input Device
HID-compliant mouse
HID-compliant consumer control device
HID-compliant device
HID-compliant device
USB Input Device
HID-compliant device
HID-compliant device
HID-compliant device
Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller
USB Root Hub
Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
ATA Channel 1
ATA Channel 0
WDC WD6400AAKS-00A7B2 ATA Device
PCI standard ISA bridge
Programmable interrupt controller
Direct memory access controller
System timer
System CMOS/real time clock
System speaker
Numeric data processor
Microsoft ACPI-Compliant Embedded Controller
ATK0110 ACPI UTILITY
High precision event timer
Communications Port (COM1)
Motherboard resources
Motherboard resources
Motherboard resources
Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
USB Root Hub
PCI Express standard Root Port
SB Recon3D PCIe Audio Controller
SB Recon3D PCIe
PCI Express standard Root Port
Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller
Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
USB Root Hub
Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller
USB Root Hub
CPU
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T
Cores 6
Threads 6
Name AMD Phenom II X6 1090T
Code Name Thuban
Package Socket AM3 (938)
Technology 45nm
Specification AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Processor
Family F
Extended Family 10
Model A
Extended Model A
Stepping 0
Revision PH-E0
Instructions MMX (+), 3DNow! (+), SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSE4A, AMD64
Virtualization Supported, Enabled
Hyperthreading Not supported
Fan Speed 2755 RPM
Edited: 12/07/2012 at 03:26 PM by Disturbeddragon1
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12/07/2012 03:30 PM
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jashon093 Peon
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Are you looking to upgrade to two cards or just the one? If two I would recommend going for a HD 7850 for your budget. This card will be much better at a similar price point.
What resoultion is your screen and what games are you looking to play? What is your budget also?
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12/07/2012 03:41 PM
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Disturbeddragon1 Peon
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Just one for now since it will be for me and my husband's pcs. So one card each. I normally do eyefinity if I can. Some games I play don't support it, i.e. Guild Wars 2. The main games I play with eyefinity are Borderlands 2 and Minecraft. Mainly trying to find a good ATI/AMD card that will handle Borderlands 2 with the Phyx at least on Medium or if possible on High. My budget would have to be around $170 per card. We're thinking of getting them with his Christmas bonus from work.
Oh and resolution is either 1920x1080 or 5760x1080.
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12/08/2012 11:41 AM
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jashon093 Peon
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Originally posted by: Disturbeddragon1 Just one for now since it will be for me and my husband's pcs. So one card each. I normally do eyefinity if I can. Some games I play don't support it, i.e. Guild Wars 2. The main games I play with eyefinity are Borderlands 2 and Minecraft. Mainly trying to find a good ATI/AMD card that will handle Borderlands 2 with the Phyx at least on Medium or if possible on High. My budget would have to be around $170 per card. We're thinking of getting them with his Christmas bonus from work.
Oh and resolution is either 1920x1080 or 5760x1080.
OK first of the bat I want to make clear PhysX processing can not be done on AMD cards so your PhysX setting will be limited to how powerful your processor is. I heard this game is not that taxing on PhysX compared to other games like Batman:AC so you should be OK with medium settings.
The resoultion you are gaming at is pretty high especially with eyefinity but the games you are playing are not so extreme in the graphics department especially Minecraft, lol. With your budget being at the $170 mark the AMD HD 7850 1GB will fit in nicely which should be fine for 1920x1080 res but with its limited 1GB framebuffer eyefinity may not perform so good at such a high res. That is why I recommend squeezing a few more dollars and getting the 2GB HD 7850 which can be found for just under and above $200 online.
$194.99 @ Newegg - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125419&nm_mc=OTC-FroogleNEW&cm_mmc=OTC-FroogleNEW-_-Video+Cards-_-GIGABYTE-_-14125419
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12/08/2012 11:45 AM
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jashon093 Peon
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Also the card you where looking at the HD 7750 is weak it has a 128bit memory interface which is the same as your current cards. This is weak memory bandwidth even for 1920x1080 gaming. Trust me the HD 7850 is a mainstream card that has a 256bit memory interface and alot more shader units and performance that can run games and the HD 7750 is a value level card.
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12/08/2012 12:49 PM
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black_zion Heavy Wizardry
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Alright, enough of this. First thing you should know is that since that motherboard is only capable of x16/x4 speed then dual card Crossfire for any meaningful speed is out the window, the bandwidth just isn't there, so that limits you to one GPU. Now, as to what that GPU can be depends highly on your power supply, so open your case, which will require the use of a Philips head screwdriver if it doesn't use thumb screws, and give us the make and model, it will be on a sticker on the side. Assuming your power supply is reputable, and since you want to game with Eyefinity, you will require a card with a bit more muscle than the mainstream HD 7850, such as the HD 7950. If your power supply is a piece of garbage, then you will have to spend about $70 on a good quality one, such as the Corsair TX650. That RAM you have to is also quite slow, DDR3 1200 CL9 is just horrid.
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12/10/2012 11:32 AM
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Disturbeddragon1 Peon
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Originally posted by: jashon093 Also the card you where looking at the HD 7750 is weak it has a 128bit memory interface which is the same as your current cards. This is weak memory bandwidth even for 1920x1080 gaming. Trust me the HD 7850 is a mainstream card that has a 256bit memory interface and alot more shader units and performance that can run games and the HD 7750 is a value level card.
Well as far as our current cards go, we've been handling games like Borderlands 2 pretty well around 40-58 fps with everything on the highest settings except for phyx since it kills the fps to about 14-26 fps in high traffic areas like that whirlpool area with all the enemies spawning with it being on the highest setting.
I found a card that is exactly like the one that you've shown me from newegg that is cheaper. About 15 or so bucks, so when we actually do get the extra cash I'll probably go with it since it is the same as the one you found. n_n
Thanks for your help jashon.
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12/10/2012 11:37 AM
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stumped Dungeon Master
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Check for yourself > http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/
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Intel I7 960 @ 3.87ghz *Intel DX58SO *HIS HD6970 2gb *Corsair TX650M *2x4gb Corsair XMS3 *WD Black 1TB *Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit *Gateway HD2401 24" 2ms 1920x1200 ***Asus N71Jq laptop *Intel I7 720QM Processor *Mobility Radeon HD5730 1gb *8gb Ram *Windows 7 64bit ***Acer 5750 laptop
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12/10/2012 11:37 AM
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Disturbeddragon1 Peon
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Originally posted by: black_zion Alright, enough of this. First thing you should know is that since that motherboard is only capable of x16/x4 speed then dual card Crossfire for any meaningful speed is out the window, the bandwidth just isn't there, so that limits you to one GPU. Now, as to what that GPU can be depends highly on your power supply, so open your case, which will require the use of a Philips head screwdriver if it doesn't use thumb screws, and give us the make and model, it will be on a sticker on the side. Assuming your power supply is reputable, and since you want to game with Eyefinity, you will require a card with a bit more muscle than the mainstream HD 7850, such as the HD 7950. If your power supply is a piece of garbage, then you will have to spend about $70 on a good quality one, such as the Corsair TX650. That RAM you have to is also quite slow, DDR3 1200 CL9 is just horrid.
K, just to let you know my pc is perfectly fine. I've been running games around 40-58 fps on highest settings. So I'm not going to change everything just cause you tell me my pc is trash. Never once had an issue with the setup being slow. Matter of fact, my brother-in-law is supposed to have all the newest hardware that should be outperforming mine, but mine is outperforming his which also by the way his is overclocked and mine isn't. So if you could, please don't tell me every part of my pc is trash.
This thread was started about graphics card and not for any other part of my pc, so please lets just keep this thread to that. Thanks.
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12/10/2012 12:08 PM
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stumped Dungeon Master
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Why don't you just compare the cards? http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/
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Intel I7 960 @ 3.87ghz *Intel DX58SO *HIS HD6970 2gb *Corsair TX650M *2x4gb Corsair XMS3 *WD Black 1TB *Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit *Gateway HD2401 24" 2ms 1920x1200 ***Asus N71Jq laptop *Intel I7 720QM Processor *Mobility Radeon HD5730 1gb *8gb Ram *Windows 7 64bit ***Acer 5750 laptop
* A clear conscience is usually a sign of bad memory *
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12/10/2012 12:14 PM
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Disturbeddragon1 Peon
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I did which is why I think I'll go with the radeon hd 7850 since it will be near my budget. It's ranked as one of the best in the price range I'm looking at. Thanks for that link by the way. n_n
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12/12/2012 11:34 AM
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Disturbeddragon1 Peon
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Is it so hard for people to not troll? This topic is closed now. I've already made up my mind.
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12/12/2012 11:38 AM
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Disturbeddragon1 Peon
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Can a moderator please close this topic?
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