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Hi everyone, quick question for anyone knowledgeable about graphics cards specifications. My question is would a XFX - Core Edition Radeon HD 7750 2GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 3.0 card be better than my current Sapphire Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16? I currently have two of the HD 5770s normally crossfired, but one is ATI instead of Sapphire which I believe may be having issues with that, and since Bestbuy has the 7750s on sale right now I'd see if it is worth upgrading to those cards. I'll also attach my specs from Speccy for more info about my cards and setup at the bottom of this post.

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Edited: 12/07/2012 at 03:26 PM by Disturbeddragon1
 12/07/2012 03:30 PM
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Are you looking to upgrade to two cards or just the one? If two I would recommend going for a HD 7850 for your budget. This card will be much better at a similar price point.

 

What resoultion is your screen and what games are you looking to play? What is your budget also?

 12/07/2012 03:41 PM
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Just one for now since it will be for me and my husband's pcs. So one card each. I normally do eyefinity if I can. Some games I play don't support it, i.e. Guild Wars 2. The main games I play with eyefinity are Borderlands 2 and Minecraft. Mainly trying to find a good ATI/AMD card that will handle Borderlands 2 with the Phyx at least on Medium or if possible on High. My budget would have to be around $170 per card. We're thinking of getting them with his Christmas bonus from work.

Oh and resolution is either 1920x1080 or 5760x1080.

 12/08/2012 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by: Disturbeddragon1 Just one for now since it will be for me and my husband's pcs. So one card each. I normally do eyefinity if I can. Some games I play don't support it, i.e. Guild Wars 2. The main games I play with eyefinity are Borderlands 2 and Minecraft. Mainly trying to find a good ATI/AMD card that will handle Borderlands 2 with the Phyx at least on Medium or if possible on High. My budget would have to be around $170 per card. We're thinking of getting them with his Christmas bonus from work.

 

Oh and resolution is either 1920x1080 or 5760x1080.

 

 

OK first of the bat I want to make clear PhysX processing can not be done on AMD cards so your PhysX setting will be limited to how powerful your processor is. I heard this game is not that taxing on PhysX compared to other games like Batman:AC so you should be OK with medium settings.

 

The resoultion you are gaming at is pretty high especially with eyefinity but the games you are playing are not so extreme in the graphics department especially Minecraft, lol. With your budget being at the $170 mark the AMD HD 7850 1GB will fit in nicely which should be fine for 1920x1080 res but with its limited 1GB framebuffer eyefinity may not perform so good at such a high res. That is why I recommend squeezing a few more dollars and getting the 2GB HD 7850 which can be found for just under and above $200 online.

$194.99 @ Newegg - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125419&nm_mc=OTC-FroogleNEW&cm_mmc=OTC-FroogleNEW-_-Video+Cards-_-GIGABYTE-_-14125419

 12/08/2012 11:45 AM
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Also the card you where looking at the HD 7750 is weak it has a 128bit memory interface which is the same as your current cards. This is weak memory bandwidth even for 1920x1080 gaming. Trust me the HD 7850 is a mainstream card that has a 256bit memory interface and alot more shader units and performance that can run games and the HD 7750 is a value level card.

 12/08/2012 12:49 PM
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Alright, enough of this. First thing you should know is that since that motherboard is only capable of x16/x4 speed then dual card Crossfire for any meaningful speed is out the window, the bandwidth just isn't there, so that limits you to one GPU. Now, as to what that GPU can be depends highly on your power supply, so open your case, which will require the use of a Philips head screwdriver if it doesn't use thumb screws, and give us the make and model, it will be on a sticker on the side. Assuming your power supply is reputable, and since you want to game with Eyefinity, you will require a card with a bit more muscle than the mainstream HD 7850, such as the HD 7950. If your power supply is a piece of garbage, then you will have to spend about $70 on a good quality one, such as the Corsair TX650. That RAM you have to is also quite slow, DDR3 1200 CL9 is just horrid.

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 12/10/2012 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by: jashon093 Also the card you where looking at the HD 7750 is weak it has a 128bit memory interface which is the same as your current cards. This is weak memory bandwidth even for 1920x1080 gaming. Trust me the HD 7850 is a mainstream card that has a 256bit memory interface and alot more shader units and performance that can run games and the HD 7750 is a value level card.

 

 

Well as far as our current cards go, we've been handling games like Borderlands 2 pretty well around 40-58 fps with everything on the highest settings except for phyx since it kills the fps to about 14-26 fps in high traffic areas like that whirlpool area with all the enemies spawning with it being on the highest setting.

I found a card that is exactly like the one that you've shown me from newegg that is cheaper. About 15 or so bucks, so when we actually do get the extra cash I'll probably go with it since it is the same as the one you found. n_n

Thanks for your help jashon.

 12/10/2012 11:37 AM
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Check for yourself > http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/



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 12/10/2012 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by: black_zion Alright, enough of this. First thing you should know is that since that motherboard is only capable of x16/x4 speed then dual card Crossfire for any meaningful speed is out the window, the bandwidth just isn't there, so that limits you to one GPU. Now, as to what that GPU can be depends highly on your power supply, so open your case, which will require the use of a Philips head screwdriver if it doesn't use thumb screws, and give us the make and model, it will be on a sticker on the side. Assuming your power supply is reputable, and since you want to game with Eyefinity, you will require a card with a bit more muscle than the mainstream HD 7850, such as the HD 7950. If your power supply is a piece of garbage, then you will have to spend about $70 on a good quality one, such as the Corsair TX650. That RAM you have to is also quite slow, DDR3 1200 CL9 is just horrid.

 

K, just to let you know my pc is perfectly fine. I've been running games around 40-58 fps on highest settings. So I'm not going to change everything just cause you tell me my pc is trash. Never once had an issue with the setup being slow. Matter of fact, my brother-in-law is supposed to have all the newest hardware that should be outperforming mine, but mine is outperforming his which also by the way his is overclocked and mine isn't. So if you could, please don't tell me every part of my pc is trash.

This thread was started about graphics card and not for any other part of my pc, so please lets just keep this thread to that. Thanks.

 12/10/2012 12:08 PM
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Why don't you just compare the cards? http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/



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 12/10/2012 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by: stumped Why don't you just compare the cards? http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/

 

 

I did which is why I think I'll go with the radeon hd 7850 since it will be near my budget. It's ranked as one of the best in the price range I'm looking at. Thanks for that link by the way. n_n

 12/12/2012 11:34 AM
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Is it so hard for people to not troll? This topic is closed now. I've already made up my mind.

 12/12/2012 11:38 AM
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Can a moderator please close this topic?

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