Topic Title: R9 290 Sapphire Tri-X OC // Reproducible freezes
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 04/20/2014 02:51 PM
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Hi.


I bought a R9 290 Sapphire Tri-X OC a while ago, and I get these freezes all the time. This happens when the graphics card is stressed, meaning f.e. playing a very demanding game or running furmark.

The card doesn't get too hot though, it stays below 80°C at all times. I logged the sensors of the GPU with GPU-Z and there was no evidence of some technical malfunction, since the values were all O.K.

I read somewhere, that adjusting VDDC offset and Power Limit could help to avoid these freezes, but they didn't for me.

If I run furmark, my PC freezes with certainty.

 

My system:

  • Intel 2500-K @3.30 GHz
  • R9 290 Sapphire Tri-X OC
  • Corsair HX750
  • ASUS P8P67 
  • 8GB DDR3-1667 Ram

 



Edited: 04/21/2014 at 07:15 AM by autCyrius
 04/20/2014 03:11 PM
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I can only address the Power Tune question...there is no cir*****stance that I can concieve for having the Power Tune set to anything other than +20 if you are playing a game. Unless you are trying to save electricity. +20 disables the power throtteling that will occur at any of the other settings. Here is a article that explains.

Edit: The spelling nazi struck again. circ umstance.



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 04/20/2014 10:46 PM
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What game is choppy?

Back off on the game settings usualy does wonders for the performance

 



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 04/21/2014 01:16 AM
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Really shouldn't have to back off at all with those components.

Any benefit from overclocking the 2500 a bit? 

Latest BIOS update on mobo, right?

VDDC Offset will probably be effective if you really OC that card.  Since it already is an OC version you probably won't get any benefit.  If you want to OC the card to 1100Hz, would try 100-200mv safely.



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Edited: 04/21/2014 at 01:29 AM by UcouldBrong
 04/21/2014 06:57 AM
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System performance is just fine. It's not the performance I want to change, but making it stable.

I thought changing the power limit to +20% did the trick (no freeze after 5 mins in furmark - normally it would freeze around 4 minutes in burn-in test), I even played for some time without freezing. Then I restarted the game, and after 2 minutes it would freeze. I changed nothing when restarting the game.

 

  • GPU clock: 1000 MHz
  • Memory clock: 1300 MHz
  • VDDC Offset: 0
  • Power Limit: 20
The game itself wouldn't matter I think, since this freeze only seems to occur when it has 100% workload. I guess that the VCORE or something changed drastically and the graphics card shuts itself off. Or it enters a deadlock because of a driver bug.
But as I already mentioned, the voltage doesn't change drastically (I logged everything with GPU-Z, it's all O.K.)
I'm using the February release of the 13.12 driver btw, that I got from the official Sapphire site. Before I was using the 14.3 Beta driver, and even tried the 13.12 driver from the AMD website - but neither did the trick. (I always used the AMD driver removal tool).

edit: Bios too is on the latest version (although the latest versions only changed CPU compatibility).

edit2: I have also already tried underclocking the GPU clock to 950, (the other values were the same as listed above) - but it didn't help either.



Edited: 04/21/2014 at 07:11 AM by autCyrius
 04/21/2014 01:19 PM
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Have you tried the other two suggestions?



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 04/22/2014 06:13 AM
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CPU is overclocked.

BIOS is on the latest version.

VDDC Offset does not change a thing regarding stability (vcores are changed correctly though).

 

It seems as if REDUCING memory and gpu clock by 2.5% each did the trick (knock on wood). I guess that the OC version of my card might have been unstable regarding the memory clock. I didn't have a freeze yet, but I'm going to "benchmark" more. I'll post as soon as I feel that I have tested it enough, or a freeze occures.

 04/26/2014 09:23 PM
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I've also got the same problem as OP so am jumping into this topic instead of posting a new one.

Occurs frequently when playing Mechwarrior Online; graphic settings are maxxed.
It's pretty much the only game I play *but* it's also happened playing Fallout 3.

Not just games, but even just watching Hulu *sometimes* and the system freezes.

The screen freezes and the speakers just make a stange buzz/humming sound until I do a hard reboot.

Typically the GPU temp after reboot is about 80C. 

Nothing is overclocked.

CCC settings for "max fan speed" is 100% but I never hear the fan so am guessing it's not really speeding up. Just a guess.

The case I'm using is a Raidmax Sagittarius; bottom drive bay removed to increase airflow into the case from the front 120mm fan, which admittedly seems like a very weak fan.

My system:

  • AMD Phenom II x6 1100T @3.31 GHz
  • R9 290 Sapphire 4GB
  • Corsair HX750 PSU
  • Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H 
  • 16GB DDR3 PC3 12800 SDRam (G.Skill Ripjaws)


    EDIT: I was reading through other forums that the R9 290 "needs 2x 12 V rails" and so am pre-emptively searching for a replacement to my single-rail PSU.
    Contemplating one of these:
    -RAIDMAX RX-850AE 850W Power Supply
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    RAIDMAX RX-1000AE 1000W Power Supply
    -Thermaltake Toughpower Grand TPG-1050M 1050W ATX 12V v2.3 & SSI EPS 12V
     
    All 3 Gold Certified.

    Opinions/advice anyone??
    Any and all feedback appreciated!


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My system:
-AMD Phenom II x6 1100T @3.31 GHz
-R9 290 Sapphire 4GB
-Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H Rev1.0 (BIOS v.F9)
-16GB DDR3 PC3 12800 SDRam (G.Skill Ripjaws)
-Corsair HX750 PSU



Edited: 04/26/2014 at 09:53 PM by Defender Rococo Rockfowl
 04/26/2014 10:52 PM
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Originally posted by: Defender Rococo Rockfowl

 

The case I'm using is a Raidmax Sagittarius; bottom drive bay removed to increase airflow into the case from the front 120mm fan, which admittedly seems like a very weak fan.

That case does not seem to be a very good choice for cooling, no top fan, tiny side fan, tiny front fan and solid panels...

Also, your PSU should be good...  I think your info about multiple rails being required to be faulty/false.  I have your PSU, and if I had a single R9 290, I wouldn't be changing it.

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Case: CoolerMaster HAF 932.||.PSU: Corsair HX750
GPU:Asus R9 270X DirectCU II TOP.||.Audio: Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro w/ Logitech Z-5300e (5.1, 280W-RMS)
System Drive: 2xSamsung 840 Pro 128GB RAID0.||.Working Drive: 2xMushkin Chronos 60GB RAID0

 04/27/2014 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by: QB the Slayer
Originally posted by: Defender Rococo Rockfowl

 

The case I'm using is a Raidmax Sagittarius; bottom drive bay removed to increase airflow into the case from the front 120mm fan, which admittedly seems like a very weak fan.

 Thanks very much for advice!
I completely removed front-bottom HDD bay, installed front-case 120mm 1600RPM fan, and 120mm 3000RPM side-case fan.
Set "max gpu fan speed" to 100% and "optimal GPU temp" to 85C.

Noticed that while watching Hulu fullscreen if GPU temp is above 50C sound distorts: voices become "robotic"

sounding and static can be heard.

Gamed (MWO) 3 hrs no lockup/graphic distortion but noticed (while wearing headphones) that sometimes gpu fan sounded like turbo blower.

Any additional advice or is this the best performance I can expect from this rig?
Thanks again!



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My system:
-AMD Phenom II x6 1100T @3.31 GHz
-R9 290 Sapphire 4GB
-Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H Rev1.0 (BIOS v.F9)
-16GB DDR3 PC3 12800 SDRam (G.Skill Ripjaws)
-Corsair HX750 PSU

 04/27/2014 07:41 PM
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So you are saying that cranking up all the fans makes the system work better?  If that is the case then you have your answer...  you need a better case with better cooling/airflow.

 

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The MONSTER HTPC:

CPU: AMD FX-8350.||.Cooler: Corsair H80i
MB: Gigabyte 990FXA-UD7.||.RAM: 8 GB Mushkin Blackline DDR3 2000MHz (7-10-8-27-1T)
Case: CoolerMaster HAF 932.||.PSU: Corsair HX750
GPU:Asus R9 270X DirectCU II TOP.||.Audio: Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro w/ Logitech Z-5300e (5.1, 280W-RMS)
System Drive: 2xSamsung 840 Pro 128GB RAID0.||.Working Drive: 2xMushkin Chronos 60GB RAID0

 04/28/2014 02:26 PM
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Gpu fans running at "100%" is NOT a desirable situation.  Attend to airflow design/ cooling and fan upgrades.



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 04/28/2014 09:48 PM
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Originally posted by: UcouldBrong Gpu fans running at "100%" is NOT a desirable situation.  Attend to airflow design/ cooling and fan upgrades.

Thanks for the advice. 
In your opinion is one 120MM @1600RPM (front blowing-in)
and one 120MM @ 3000RPM (side blowing-in) enough?

The rear "blowing out" fan space is taken up by Corsair closed-loop liquid CPU cooler so only "out" fans are the PSU's and the GPU's.

 



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My system:
-AMD Phenom II x6 1100T @3.31 GHz
-R9 290 Sapphire 4GB
-Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H Rev1.0 (BIOS v.F9)
-16GB DDR3 PC3 12800 SDRam (G.Skill Ripjaws)
-Corsair HX750 PSU

 04/28/2014 11:26 PM
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Please clarify that last sentence. Water cooler fan(s) exhausting directly out the rear of the case?  If so, would recommend a push/pull config where the radiator connects directly to the rear of the case with another fan "pulling" attached to the outside of the case in the same area.

 

Option is to upgrade the air moving capability (CFM) of existing fans...some are really powerful, but noisier (Delta, Rexus Panaflo, etc.).  Often the rpms are NOT the most important factor in selecting the fans.  For cpu coolers a decent "static pressure" spec can be helpful since the fan is pushing against resistance (radiator).   Cougar 120mm Vortex V12HP PWM are very good and VERY quiet...800-1500rpm  70.5-119.8 CFM @ 17.9-28db!

There is an intake fan on the front, correct?  Upgrade it.

If you have room in your optical bay, add another potent 120mm PWM fan blowing across the video card.  Wrap window insulation foam tape around the fan frame to make a bulkhead and will fit securely in the bay.

For longer fan life, try not to run your video card fans more than 50-60% if at all possible.  If your gpu temps don't exceed 80C...you're good.



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Edited: 04/28/2014 at 11:47 PM by UcouldBrong
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That's an okay case for gear that does not generate a lot of heat...  however, your gear is inherently hot.  You need a better case with far more and larger fans.  After many years of using my HAF 932, I will never go back to a case without good airflow.

 

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The MONSTER HTPC:

CPU: AMD FX-8350.||.Cooler: Corsair H80i
MB: Gigabyte 990FXA-UD7.||.RAM: 8 GB Mushkin Blackline DDR3 2000MHz (7-10-8-27-1T)
Case: CoolerMaster HAF 932.||.PSU: Corsair HX750
GPU:Asus R9 270X DirectCU II TOP.||.Audio: Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro w/ Logitech Z-5300e (5.1, 280W-RMS)
System Drive: 2xSamsung 840 Pro 128GB RAID0.||.Working Drive: 2xMushkin Chronos 60GB RAID0

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Well....rebuild your rig or upgrade per recommendations...



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 04/29/2014 11:54 PM
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Originally posted by: UcouldBrong Please clarify that last sentence. Water cooler fan(s) exhausting directly out the rear of the case?  If so, would recommend a push/pull config where the radiator connects directly to the rear of the case with another fan "pulling" attached to the outside of the case in the same area.

 

Option is to upgrade the air moving capability (CFM) of existing fans...some are really powerful, but noisier (Delta, Rexus Panaflo, etc.).  Often the rpms are NOT the most important factor in selecting the fans.  For cpu coolers a decent "static pressure" spec can be helpful since the fan is pushing against resistance (radiator).   Cougar 120mm Vortex V12HP PWM are very good and VERY quiet...800-1500rpm  70.5-119.8 CFM @ 17.9-28db!

There is an intake fan on the front, correct?  Upgrade it.

If you have room in your optical bay, add another potent 120mm PWM fan blowing across the video card.  Wrap window insulation foam tape around the fan frame to make a bulkhead and will fit securely in the bay.

For longer fan life, try not to run your video card fans more than 50-60% if at all possible.  If your gpu temps don't exceed 80C...you're good.


Where there used to be a rear-case fan (just below PSU) blowing out, is a Corsair H70 liquid CPU cooler fan & radiator. The fan is blowing into the radiator (and thus into the case I've now finally realized).

The case's side and front 120mm fans are also blowing in.
The side case fan's position is over the CPU (and about 3 inches above the top of the GPU).

I guess what I really need is at least one dedicated fan for blowing air out... but no additional space for fans.

Is a PCI-slot fan blower (blowing out) any good? There are 3 free PCI slots below the GPU and I can install one or two of those.

Another idea I've got (maybe bad?) is to see if I can somehow mount two 80mm fans next to each other under the GPU, blowing out the case, since I'm not using the PCI slots.



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My system:
-AMD Phenom II x6 1100T @3.31 GHz
-R9 290 Sapphire 4GB
-Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H Rev1.0 (BIOS v.F9)
-16GB DDR3 PC3 12800 SDRam (G.Skill Ripjaws)
-Corsair HX750 PSU

 04/30/2014 12:00 AM
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Originally posted by: QB the Slayer That's an okay case for gear that does not generate a lot of heat...  however, your gear is inherently hot.  You need a better case with far more and larger fans.  After many years of using my HAF 932, I will never go back to a case without good airflow.

 

QB

I agree it's currently a hot case but am hopeful I can rearrange the case fans positioning to get the correct airflow.
Of course I'll upgrade any that need to now that I know a little about CFM (thanks to the posters here!)



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My system:
-AMD Phenom II x6 1100T @3.31 GHz
-R9 290 Sapphire 4GB
-Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H Rev1.0 (BIOS v.F9)
-16GB DDR3 PC3 12800 SDRam (G.Skill Ripjaws)
-Corsair HX750 PSU

 04/30/2014 03:02 AM
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Usually consensus is to have cool air blowing into a radiator from outside the case, but you might just increase the rpm on your (upgraded) intake fan to create more pressure and reverse the H70 cooler fan to blow out.  Add the other fan in push/pull to assist on the radiator.



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 04/30/2014 03:10 AM
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Originally posted by: UcouldBrong Usually consensus is to have cool air blowing into a radiator from outside the case, but you might just increase the rpm on your (upgraded) intake fan to create more pressure and reverse the H70 cooler fan to blow out.  Add the other fan in push/pull to assist on the radiator.


What's your opinion of putting my strongest fan as the radiator fan that's blowing in, and then set either the case's side fan -or- front fan to blowing out?

That way there's two fans blowing cool air in and one blowing out.



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My system:
-AMD Phenom II x6 1100T @3.31 GHz
-R9 290 Sapphire 4GB
-Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H Rev1.0 (BIOS v.F9)
-16GB DDR3 PC3 12800 SDRam (G.Skill Ripjaws)
-Corsair HX750 PSU

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