Topic Title: Anyone have a VisionTek R9 290X? Need to compare temps
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 06/22/2014 06:56 PM
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Hey guys,

Just wondering if anyone else out there has an R9 290X from VisionTek, with the aftermarket-style cooler, specifically this one:

The temps on this particular card are running a lot warmer than I'd like... in fact, given my high airflow case, I'd say they're unacceptable.  It runs up to 8C hotter under load than my Gigabyte card, and actually runs as hot or hotter than the Stock Blower cards I was running previous.  I can't find any online reviews of this card to compare temps with either.

If anyone could post up with temperatures for comparison that has an R9 290X with an aftermarket cooler of any kind, I'd appreciate it... here's an example of the temp difference, the upper listed card is the Gigabyte, lower listed card is the VisionTek, and keep in mind the Gigabyte is the one breathing off the VisionTek, as it's on top, the VisionTek has nothing but clear air to breath off of:



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GPUs: 3x HIS R9 290X Reference (Core) Editions in TriFire, Max Load Temps: 71C/70C/71C during OC testing :-P

 06/22/2014 07:31 PM
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75°C is plenty fine for such a powerful card, easily 15°C lower than when you should be worried.

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 06/22/2014 08:26 PM
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I'm not "worried" about it.  I simply find it just plain unacceptable for my case's cooling profile.  Literally, stock blower R9 290Xs run these same temperatures I'm seeing from this thing.

I'm concerned that the heatsink may not be seated correctly OR that the thermal paste is messed up or something, which is why I want to compare temps.  That temp readout was done using 3DMark SkyDiver, just an FYI if someone wants to run the same test & give me feedback on that.

I have a capture/test result that shows that the stock blower cards (in crossfire) when I was running them topped out at 64C during 3DMark FireStrike at stock in my system... that's how cool my system runs.  So for this card to be hitting over 70C is pretty ridiculous, if you think about it, in my opinion anyway.  Gonna run FireStrike right quick just so I can see what this thing gets up to.

Edit: Yep, same issue, top card (the Gigabyte) capped out at 65C during the second Graphics Test.  Bottom card (the VisionTek) capped out at 73C.  I have noticed it also idles about 2C warmer than the other card, another reason I think maybe the heatsink is not set correctly... 



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GPUs: 3x HIS R9 290X Reference (Core) Editions in TriFire, Max Load Temps: 71C/70C/71C during OC testing :-P



Edited: 06/22/2014 at 08:33 PM by HoneyBadger84
 06/22/2014 08:41 PM
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OR, more likely, that VisionTek cards are not as good as Gigabyte's?

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 06/22/2014 08:42 PM
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Disassemble.

Change to a high quality thermal paste, like MX-4 or arctic silver.

Assemble.

Test your temps again and the heatsink as well.



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 06/22/2014 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by: backFireX64 Disassemble.

 

Change to a high quality thermal paste, like MX-4 or arctic silver.

 

Assemble.

 

Test your temps again and the heatsink as well.

 

For all my experience with computers & the building thereof, I have never taken apart a graphics card & "re-pasted" it so to speak.  Kinda saving that as a last resort which I may not even do before reselling/returning it.

I'm just really curious what others get, hopefully someone will turn up with the same card.



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 06/22/2014 09:09 PM
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I agree.

A difference of 8° C  sure is strange, but not a deal-breaker.

Temperature varies from chip to chip, that is normal. But i would expect you to see more of a 3-5° C difference.

If it's not the chip, then we can debate about the cooling efficiency of the dual fans. Did you find a good review of the specific card online and do the comparison ?

 

If the fans seem good, then either the heatsink is damaged/ wrongly seated, or the issue lies in the thermal paste applied. The quality of heatsink should be similar in all cards of that type. And i don't thing the paste needs curing either.



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 06/22/2014 09:14 PM
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Or get a liquid cooling plate and push the voltage until it screams .....



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 06/23/2014 03:40 AM
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Could it be because of the type of cooler? A factory cooler sucks the air in and pushes it out the back of the case,where as the aftermarket cooler just recirculates the air over and over again,doesnt actually exhaust the hot air.

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 06/23/2014 06:16 AM
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Originally posted by: cvsi3 Could it be because of the type of cooler? A factory cooler sucks the air in and pushes it out the back of the case,where as the aftermarket cooler just recirculates the air over and over again,doesnt actually exhaust the hot air.

As I said, my case has an extremely good airflow profile. There's no way that's the issue or the Gigabyte would be having the issue too. I have 3 180mm side fans blowing quite a bit of air over my motherboard & the video cards, with the empty PCI-E slot covers on the back of the case removed to make sure any hot air is forced out the back. I'll take a picture when I get home to give you an idea of what I'm taking about when I get home (at work atm). This is what the side of my case looks like closed (note: the liquid loop you see is no longer in there as the pump died, so there's nothing but open air in the bottom of the case where the visiontek card is)



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RAM: G.Skill Sniper Gaming Series (4x4GB 2133MHz, CL9) ~ PSU: Corsair AX 1200W ~ Case: Enermax Fulmo GT
GPUs: 3x HIS R9 290X Reference (Core) Editions in TriFire, Max Load Temps: 71C/70C/71C during OC testing :-P



Edited: 06/23/2014 at 03:29 PM by HoneyBadger84
 06/23/2014 03:26 PM
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Just ran a full run through of Unigine Valley... temps started out okay but before it was over the VisionTek card hit 82C, which raised the load temp of the Gigabyte from it's usual sub-70C full load to up over 70C as well... 

I also contacted a seller on EBay who is running the same cards (he has 4, selling 2, running 2) and he also said they run pretty darn hot in his setup as well so I guess it's just the cooler design while it looks nice, does not perform well... guess I'll be reselling this card & getting another Gigabyte model.  It's simply unacceptable that it runs HOTTER than the Stock Blower Cards do in my system.  I wish there was a VisionTek rep on these forums so I could discuss this further & see if maybe they have this issue with some cards & I could RMA it, but nah, just gonna resell it & try to get a 2nd Gigabyte card since I know for a fact they run extremely cool compared to most.



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RAM: G.Skill Sniper Gaming Series (4x4GB 2133MHz, CL9) ~ PSU: Corsair AX 1200W ~ Case: Enermax Fulmo GT
GPUs: 3x HIS R9 290X Reference (Core) Editions in TriFire, Max Load Temps: 71C/70C/71C during OC testing :-P

 06/23/2014 04:17 PM
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To further prove my point, I decided to do a "control" test.  I left the Gigabyte Card in & reinstalled one of the XFX Stock Blower cards in place of the VisionTek card (redid drivers etc as I should).  Reran Valley:

68C on the Gigabyte, 69C on the stock blower card.  That's THIRTEEN Celsius COOLER than the VisionTek aftermarket cooler card. WTF! X_X



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GPUs: 3x HIS R9 290X Reference (Core) Editions in TriFire, Max Load Temps: 71C/70C/71C during OC testing :-P

 06/24/2014 09:43 AM
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That's a lot of difference right there .....

Either bad heatsink quality or design flaw, or bad thermal paste.

 

In either case, yes, getting rid of that card is probably a good idea.

Thanks for the feedback about that card. It should help others as well.



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 06/24/2014 09:56 AM
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How do you have the cooling configured?  R9 cards do cooling backwards.  You specify a target temperature (which is 90C by default), and the cooling works only as hard as it must to maintain that temperature.  If fan speed is maxed out (40%/55% with stock coolers using normal/uber settings), then the card reduces the clock speed to keep the temperature at the target.

So what settings are you using that makes a card designed to run at 90C instead run at <70C? 

 

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Originally posted by: Thanny How do you have the cooling configured?  R9 cards do cooling backwards.  You specify a target temperature (which is 90C by default), and the cooling works only as hard as it must to maintain that temperature.  If fan speed is maxed out (40%/55% with stock coolers using normal/uber settings), then the card reduces the clock speed to keep the temperature at the target.

 

So what settings are you using that makes a card designed to run at 90C instead run at <70C?

I'm manually controlling fans as I said in previous posts, to 100% fan speed at all times during benchmarks in most cases.  The Gigabyte & even the stock blower fan cards don't NEED to be at 100% because my system's airflow is that good, but this VisionTek POS even at 100% is getting up to 13C hotter than the others, as I showed in my last chart posted for comparison.

I posted over at OCN forums, and it seems others with the VisionTek card & this cooler (on an R9 280X so far) have said that the cooler BARELY does the job on THAT card, so one would assume it's simply inadequately designed for the R9 290X.



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RAM: G.Skill Sniper Gaming Series (4x4GB 2133MHz, CL9) ~ PSU: Corsair AX 1200W ~ Case: Enermax Fulmo GT
GPUs: 3x HIS R9 290X Reference (Core) Editions in TriFire, Max Load Temps: 71C/70C/71C during OC testing :-P

 06/24/2014 12:35 PM
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I use my motherboard to control my chassis fans, works fine.

My old EVGA GTX 260 SC ran hotter than my BFG GTX 260 MaxCore 55

To cope I use extreme chassis like the 300R to move air. My chassis has came with 1 front and one rear, I added another front and 2 on top.

More recently I retired the GTX 260 SLI in favor of the GTX 660 Ti which perked up games reasonably well.

My card has 2 fans and it runs cooler than single fan cards I have owned.

I do not card how hot a video card is, unless games start crappingout. I would ignore the temps, unless the card starts thermal throttling.

 

 



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 06/25/2014 12:11 PM
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Uuuuuh, yeah...

I have my fans plugged directly in to PSU outlets so they run at max speed because I don't want undue stress on the motherboard powering fans.  My system has more airflow than just about anyone I've seen that's running air cooled cards in a 2/3/4-card combination like I do when I mess around with benchmarking things.  So I'm very sure it's not an airflow issue (for the tenth time I think I've said that lol)

As for "not worrying about it unless the game craps out" that's exactly how you kill a video card. lol

I haven't put this card back in my system since I ran the tests above with the temp readouts, other than the QuadFire testing I did yesterday, which resulted in these temperatures (note: the VisionTek card will ONLY fit on top because of it's stupidly pointless backplate):

See what I mean?  Card 1 is the VisionTek, Cards' 2 & 3 are STOCK BLOWER CARDS.  HOW is it running so much hotter than them when they're ALL sandwiched... This testing was done with the side of my case off & a shop-blower fan blowing in to the side of the case for maximum airflow over the cards, so there's no reason it should've gotten anywhere NEAR that hot, it's utterly ridiculous!



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RAM: G.Skill Sniper Gaming Series (4x4GB 2133MHz, CL9) ~ PSU: Corsair AX 1200W ~ Case: Enermax Fulmo GT
GPUs: 3x HIS R9 290X Reference (Core) Editions in TriFire, Max Load Temps: 71C/70C/71C during OC testing :-P

 06/26/2014 06:17 AM
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There are two aspects to cooling: temperature and noise.

That card may have a higher temperature at max cooling capacity, but that may be a tradeoff for less noise.  You've said nothing about how quietly it cools, and it certainly seems you couldn't care less.

The fact is, the R9 290 cards were not designed to operate the same way as previous cards.  They are designed to run at 90C until the cows come home, with the payoff in reduced cooling system noise.  If you're focusing solely on the temperature (which is well below the normal operating value, much less the max value), you're doing it wrong.  You should be using some exotic cooling system like liquid nitrogen.  Or, at worst, something mundane like water cooling.

In short, your issue seems, to me at least, much ado about nothing.

 

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Ooookay. You're missing the point entirely. The point is, this card runs as loud as the Gigabyte aftermarket cooler, but performs significantly worse. I'm simply wondering if this is what visiontek intended or if my card has something wrong with it.  I've said all of this about five times now. 

Seems a lot of folks have missed what I'm saying the problem is. Basically, I have a gigabyte card that runs 7-10C cooler in the same application with any other or no other cards in the system, compared to when this one is in, and this VisionTek card runs 10-13C hotter either in crossfire or by itself, than any other card I have, INCLUDING the stock blower fan cards.

With an aftermarket cooler such as this thats supposedly designed to make the card run cooler AND quieter, thats simply unacceptable.

Since you seem to think I'm underrating the noise factor, I'll go ahead and run the same tests again today, with the fans set to the cards auto profile that maxes out at 55% fan on the stock blower cards, and post up temps. At that speed, the fans aren't audible over the general hum of my system and my room fan. I'm willing to bet the stock cooler cards, and of course the Gigabyte card, will probably STILL run 10+C cooler than the VisionTek one.



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CPU: i7 3930k @ 4.6GHz 1.29V (Corsair H110-cooled) ~ Motherboard: Asus RoG Rampage IV Extreme 
RAM: G.Skill Sniper Gaming Series (4x4GB 2133MHz, CL9) ~ PSU: Corsair AX 1200W ~ Case: Enermax Fulmo GT
GPUs: 3x HIS R9 290X Reference (Core) Editions in TriFire, Max Load Temps: 71C/70C/71C during OC testing :-P



Edited: 06/26/2014 at 06:33 AM by HoneyBadger84
 06/26/2014 08:45 AM
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Thanny, i agree with the liquid cooling suggestion you made.

 

They are designed to run at 90C

 

If they are indeed, and we are talking about the reference card, then they are a piece of crap.

Every serious article on the internet, quietly or loudly, suggests the end-user to get a better aftermarket cooler for the R9 290x.

Would you personally run a gpu at close 90° C for hours or for 24/7 hardcore gaming ? I don't think so.

How long would it take for the card to start degrading or malfunction ?

What about stability and thermal throttling ?

 

Same goes for all gpus.

Automatic fan is usually crap as well. Unless you have the pc open on a balcony and it's freezing cold outside (a little exaggeration from me).

 

The fact that the card used by HoneyBadger84 is not delivering a good cooling performance suggests that:

 

1. either the fans should run at higher rpm, as you hinted

2. there is a design flaw and/ or bad quality on the heatsink

3. the thermal paste is of bad quality or wrongly applied

 

Or a combination of the above.

Bad/ overheating chip camouflaged in an aftermarket fancy cooler, perhaps ?



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