Topic Title: Phenom II Build critque requested
Topic Summary: Guild Wars 2 on Max @1280x1024 rig
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 09/23/2012 04:22 PM
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Hello,

This is my first custom build. I'm looking to build something capable of playing Guild Wars 2 on max settings at 1280x1024.

These are the components I plan to buy from Newegg.

I plan to buy this CPU on eBay - AMD Phenom II X3 740 BE.

I currently own a Sapphire Vapor-X Radeon 7770 and will be using it as the primary and sole video card. I currently own all the optical and hard disks I plan to use. (2x SATA drives and a single optical drive)

I had originally planned to purchase a 990FXA-UD3, but the current lowered $ and 8GB RAM w/ the 970A-UD3 has convinced me of it instead. (I decided eSATA was not worth the extra $$$.) 

I have a few questions that I am looking for advice on:
In your opinion, will this rig (without any OC) be capable of the task I mentioned?
Is the PSU appropriate for these components without any OC?
Is the PSU appropriate for these components assuming a moderate OC on both the Gx and CPU?
Is this mobo suitable for moderately overclocking those two components?
What type of cooler would you suggest for this CPU?
Some people love this case and others hate it, thoughts? 

Thanks in advance for any help or advice,
Theodore

*Motherboard Promotion in question

 

 09/23/2012 06:34 PM
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In your opinion, will this rig (without any OC) be capable of the task I mentioned?

Yes

Is the PSU appropriate for these components without any OC?

Yes

Is the PSU appropriate for these components assuming a moderate OC on both the Gx and CPU?

Yes

Is this mobo suitable for moderately overclocking those two components?

NO. For overclocking you need to be using, preferably, a 990FX chipset board as those come with things which help overclocking (more power phases, more customizable options, more heatsinks, higher quality components, etc)

What type of cooler would you suggest for this CPU?

I would suggest a Corsair H series cooler, the H60 and H80 are good choices. Yes they are a bit more expensive but should be forward compatible with future sockets as well.

Some people love this case and others hate it, thoughts?

I don't like it. In my opinion you should go with a Full Tower instead of a mid tower, because of the space it affords

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 09/23/2012 06:45 PM
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Do you believe the GA-990FXA-UD3 is a decent value for it's chipset and features, or is it overpriced?

 09/23/2012 07:06 PM
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I have the UD5 version .. great board, no complaints apart from some slight vDroop, but overall a cracking board. The UD3 is a great board too.

I use a Corsair H70 with my 965BE CPU, nice bit of kit. The H60/80 would be a great cooler.

I've just bought a Corsair Carbide 300R for a build I'm doing for a buddy. Looks good and seems spacious enough for a good gaming PC. I'll know what I truly think of it when it arrives Tuesday.



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 09/23/2012 08:58 PM
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I think it's mostly a matter of preference, about cases.  Sometimes with really small form factors, like mini-itx, the case simply won't fit some components, but I don't think you'll have any problems there with the majority of mid-tower cases.

... and if something doesn't fit, that's what Dremels are for. 



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 09/23/2012 09:19 PM
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Ok, case has been set in stone. PC Rush had them for $66 and free shipping compared to the $80 & $10 Sh at Newegg; I wasn't going to miss that deal. 



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 09/24/2012 01:58 AM
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There is NO BETTER case than Lian-Li's snailshell case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112325 , it is so OP that nothing stands in its way!



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 09/24/2012 06:11 AM
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Now, that is a cool case! Unfortunately, it is about double the max I was looking to spend on a case. 

 

Edit- Just realized I put this in Graphics. Can someone please move it to the CPU section? (Or whatever is most appropriate)



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 09/25/2012 04:19 PM
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Alright, the build has changed focus quite a bit and I purchased the TX650. This is the new list of components.

I was debating on the GA-990FXA-UD3 and then it got $ lowered; mind made up, lol.

I also decided that I was willing to commit $100 more to the build than I had originally intended. This was to allow for a better CPU and an SSD. As such, I was debating on which FX CPU to get and then the FX-6xxx series got a %15 drop at newegg; mind made up on the FX-6200.

RAM is RAM and I think $50 is pretty reasonable for 8GB of reliable DDR3 RAM.

For cooling, I'm going with the H60, also - so very conveniently - $ lowered by 10 bucks. Assuming I am only doing a moderate OC, will the stock fan be sufficient?

For SSD, likely this one.

 

Any final thoughts before I pull the trigger?



Edited: 09/25/2012 at 04:43 PM by theos911
 09/25/2012 04:57 PM
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I'm partial to the Samsung 830 for SSDs... but they're all pretty awesome compared to a mechanical drive.



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 09/25/2012 05:04 PM
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You can always replace the stock fan later if it isn't sufficient for your tastes, it's just a standard 120mm fan. As for the components, it looks alright. HOWEVER, second generation Bulldozer chips are due out in a couple of weeks code name ''Vishera''. It's not Steamroller, just tweaked Bulldozer, so you might want to hold off a little bit longer.

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I personally would also prefer a samsung if money were not a factor, but 120GB of good (not bad, not great) SSD is too good to pass up on my budget, which I'm somewhat going over as-is.

You make a good point about the cooler. For me, OC is in the "nice, but not exactly required" category, so I might use the stock cooler and not risk OC'ing the FX-6200 before Vishera (and then OC the Vishera if i choose to upgrade). As for holding off until their release... sorry, but I cannot bear this Pentium-4 (670) any longer.

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Pentium 4 at 2012? You really waited til the last minute I haven't seen them around for years.



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And it's a Prescott P4 no less. You have endured, sir.

There will always be something bigger and better coming up next... gotta pick and stick eventually.



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 09/26/2012 08:47 PM
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The Pentium 4 is actually still pretty workable, except for games. It does 720p youtube playback fine. Up until 3 months ago, it was a Pentium 4 (520) 2.8GHz. I jumped to a 670 expecting a bit of performance gain, but it just wasn't there and even the extra entire GHz couldn't make 1080p youtube play smoothly. Despite all this, for a 2006 PC that I bought for $200 in 2008, only to find out that most of the components were 2004-ish, not to mention it being OEM ...and an HP at that - it served me very well for four years with every one of those four years being past it's original EOL. (HP DC CMT7100) If anything, Intel CPUs do seem to age gracefully. The HP Crappy Mini Tower will be missed, but not much.

I had actually originally planned to use the 7770 in the HP tower, but the card blacks out with the lousy OEM 340 PSU that the HP came with. I'd install a new PSU (but the CPU would probably bottleneck it anyway), but HP cases of this era won't take a standard ATX PSU. So, by the time I was buying a new PSU and Case just to put a better Gx card in a system that would likely bottleneck it, I decided it was time to say goodbye and join the custom PC guys.

Cheers to Vishera being all that Bulldozer was hoped to be!

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Just finished a build for a buddy about 10 minutes ago .. the Carbide 300R is a pretty nice case for what it cost .. roomy, didn't cut myself to shreds, decent thermal management ( up to 7 fans from what I can see ), cable management holes are adequate, it is "semi-open" due to a mesh-type top - so sound may be a problem for some people, what's in it here is pretty quiet, although GPU fan can be heard at 50%+ .. no big deal for me though as it isn't mine haha .. I do prefer my modded Lian-Li PC-7FNW though



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If you didn't get the PSU yet, be sure to grab the TX650 from newegg. They are super $ lowered right now for $57.99. Unfortunately, I grabbed mine Sunday when they were still $89.99. isgust;

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Heh I had a good price on an XFX 850W unit .. Those TX units are really nice, that's a great deal indeed .



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Originally posted by: theos911

So, by the time I was buying a new PSU and Case just to put a better Gx card in a system that would likely bottleneck it, I decided it was time to say goodbye and join the custom PC guys.

Another one joins our ranks...  Excellent... 



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What's your buddy running that needs 850W? Crossfire? With a Vapor-X card I'm not expecting to hear the fan much.

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