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 12/12/2012 11:16 PM
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Konferge
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Graphics Card
Onboard Radeon HD 7660D

AMD Catalyst Driver Version, and Driver History
After installing windows, I installed 12.11 Beta drivers.  While troubleshooting, I reverted to 12.10 with no effect.  Still running 12.10

Operating System
Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit

Issue Details
Poor graphics performance in EVE Online.  All graphic settings at minimum.  25-30 fps max.  Old system with 128mb video card could achieve 30-35.  3DMark 11 graphic score of 831

Motherboard or System Make & Model
ASRock FM2A75M-DGS BIOS drivers updated to current (2.10)

Power Supply

Rosewil Hive-750w

Display Device(s) and Connection(s) Used
Dell 24 inch connected via DVI cable, Samsung 19 inch connected via VGA cable.



Applications and Games

EVE Online

CPU Details
5800k 3.8 ghz quad core.  Tried with turbo on and off, no difference

Motherboard BIOS Version
2.10

System Memory Type & Amount
Gskill 8gb PC1600

Additional Hardware
500gb Sata HD

Additional Details
Fresh windows install, so no viruses. 
The funny part is, if I set the shader and detail graphic options to max, the fps only drops 1-2 frames.  So I'm at a loss.

 12/13/2012 07:09 AM
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2 Monitors on an intergrated graphics card and you want good performance? Try running on 1 monitor and OC the RAM to 1866Mhz..

Also on the side note I see that this game is capable of DirectX 10 MAX, you're better off running on DirectX 11 games



Edited: 12/13/2012 at 08:23 AM by csas25
 12/13/2012 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by: csas25 2 Monitors on an intergrated graphics card and you want good performance? Try running on 1 monitor and OC the RAM to 1866Mhz..

 

Also on the side note I see that this game is capable of DirectX 10 MAX, you're better off running on DirectX 11 games

 

Considering my old system had less than 10% of the memory and less than 10% of the stream processors, I don't think it's too much to expect my brand new GPU to at least provide the same performance. 

As for EVE Online, I let the game dictate the hardware, not the other way around.  I'm not going to stop playing EVE just because it doesn't use DirectX 11.... yet. 

Anyone else have something constructive to say about my issue.  I would chalk it up to just a poor GPU, but the 3DMark 11 score is so horribly low compared to all the reviews I've seen of this GPU, so there has to be something I can do.

Thanks

 12/14/2012 09:06 AM
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Have atleast try running it on only 1 monitor

 12/14/2012 05:17 PM
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I only run EVE on one display, I use the 2nd for times when I dual box or browse web pages. 

 12/14/2012 11:09 PM
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Hi Konferge;

 

Ialso have a Trinity APU destop system (A-5500) and couldn't be happier with it's performance in everything (particularly gaming) and you have an even more powereful graphics core than I do!!!

 

Mine tears through my older games such as Doom3, Qake4, Bioshock, all my UT games, etc at the highest settings and even newer games like DNF, Mass Effect 3, Dirt2, NFS, etc, at medium settings so yours should play them like butter!

 

What graphics card did you have before? What were your prevous specs?

Also 1866mhz Ram and above, makes a huge difference to the APU but your graphics score should akready be good so something seems wrong!

 

Have you tested any other games for comparision? Do you have the latest Catalyst Drivers and set to default?

Make sure that AA isn't set to 8x as this will have a big impact on scores.

 

 12/15/2012 03:06 PM
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Thanks for the reply Ozz.

I am currently running the Catalyst version 12.10 drivers, but I have tried the 12.11 beta and there was no difference.

My old system was an AMD 3 ghz dual core processor with an nVidia 8600GT video card (256mb) with 3 gb ram.

I downloaded Starcraft 2 and on default video settings, I hover around 30 fps.

I overclocked the memory to 1866, gpu to 950 mhz, and CPU to 4.2 ghz and only saw a slight improvement in the 3DMark 11 test. 

I don't see an option in 3DMark to set Anti Aliasing, so I'd assume the test is running at what ever is default.

On a side note, I've noticed something strange since I switched video drivers a few times.  When I reboot my computer, both my displays show the POST and windows loading, but once the logon screen appears, my main display stays black till I power cycle it.  Not sure if that's related or not.

 12/15/2012 04:32 PM
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a better display adapter will perk up most games rather deastically compared to your current unit

 

I saw the HD 7970 under $350 of late. That is a spectacular display adapter for a good price.

 



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 12/15/2012 05:21 PM
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Um, the recommended specs for EVE Online are an HD 5750, which has 720 USPs, the 5800K at 384 USPs has about the performance of an HD 5570. I would actually look not at the $350 7970 for some second rate MMO, but the $100 HD 7770.

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 12/16/2012 05:59 AM
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I overclocked the memory to 1866, gpu to 950 mhz, and CPU to 4.2 ghz and only saw a slight improvement in the 3DMark 11 test.

You won't see much of a jump in 3dmark11 unless you add a much higher discrete card so don't bother about 3dmark11 scores!!

5750, which has 720 USPs, the 5800K at 384 USPs

His 7660 would "almost" match the 5750 no problems, so this would be a waste of money!!

Your system is good so there must be some other prolem somewhere!

Did you go into CCC and make sure that AA is set to no more than 2x?

You can g to this site and compare all manner of cards against each other

http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=654&card2=616

 

If you realy want the extra performance then you have 2 choices, either "Duel Graphics" with a 6670 or just bite the bullet and get a good deal on a 7870!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 12/16/2012 08:16 AM
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I know I have Anti Aliasing disabled in EVE, not sure what CCC is to disable it anywhere else.

The only reason I keep checking 3DMark scores is to compare mine to the reviews that have been done by others using this GPU, and mine is always quite lower.

 12/16/2012 11:30 AM
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Ozz, what the hell are you talking about? Only in Al Gore's fantasy world could the HD 7660D "almost match" the HD 5750. If you want to bring out meaningless synthetic benchmarks, such as Futuremark's 3DMark 11 comparison of scores The 7660D scores 1550 points, and the 5750 scores 2180, which is 29% more, 41% more if you go to the 5770. And the $100 HD 7770 I recommended, at 3410 points...

But I digress do deal with Ozz. You are using DDR3 1600, which is very slow for an APU, which benefits greatly from DDR3 2166 and faster speeds. Dropping the settings all the way down to minimum without a gain in FPS means it is not the GPU causing a bottleneck, and I bet if you use GPUz to monitor GPU usage it will not hit 100%.

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 12/16/2012 12:19 PM
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Your 3dmark result seems a bit low.

I get over 1500 with my 5800k and DDR3-1866

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/5076941

 12/16/2012 06:11 PM
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After speaking with someone on Tom's Hardware Forums who was experiencing sub-par performance from the GPU, I downloaded GPU-Z, and the specs seem out of whack.  It's showing a 64 bit bus width, 100 mhz memory clock, and 1.6 gb/s bandwidth.  Leading us both to believe they are defective.

 12/16/2012 07:16 PM
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Could possibly be, but ask on the ASRock forums first, might be an issue with the BIOS not correctly identifying the part.

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 12/16/2012 08:28 PM
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After resetting my CMOS, GPU-Z correctly reads the information correctly, and it appears in-game performance improved slightly, but 3DMark test only marginally improved.  Going to try a memory test on the advice of someone from Tom's.

 12/17/2012 01:46 AM
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Ozz, what the hell are you talking about? Only in Al Gore's fantasy world could the HD 7660D "almost match" the HD 5750. If you want to bring out meaningless synthetic benchmarks, such as Futuremark's 3DMark 11 comparison of scores The 7660D scores 1550 points, and the 5750 scores 2180, which is 29% more, 41% more if you go to the 5770. And the $100 HD 7770 I recommended, at 3410 points...

 

My God, I was only trying to help! The 5750 is a very low end discrete card now days, with less features and the system design of this new APU would share Ram speed and other resources with the 7660 levellling the playing field against the 5750 which simply isn't worth buying! We are trying to help him with "good" suggestions and getting a 5750 is not one!!

He cannot "Duel Graphics" a 5750 with his APU and a 5750 would at best be a side way step and and a waste of money and he would also lose many of the newer features of the 7000 series and wouldn't be worth  his effort!!

A good alternative would be a 7870 and get the free games as well!



Edited: 12/18/2012 at 03:56 AM by ozz77
 12/18/2012 09:45 PM
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I confirmed with ASRock that GPU-Z is displaying the correct statistics, so my GPU has to be defective. 

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