Topic Title: Sad about FX 8350
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Created On: 09/10/2013 08:20 PM
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 09/10/2013 08:20 PM
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Shredit5150
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So last year I purchased an entirely new computer based on the FX 8350. I ordered all the parts from Newegg.com and spent around 2 grand. Even did the high end formula mobo, dominator ram, Corsair h100 closed loop cooler (the works) for a gaming system. At the time I saved a little cash by doing the dual GTX 580's from Zotac. Anyway what I noticed from all my benchmarks was a horrible bottleneck at the CPU. Had a really AMD savvy friend come over and overclock the thing to a stable 4.5 Ghz and I still noticed terrible numbers on gaming and benchmarks. RMA the chip, got the new one like 8 days later and still same issue. I faught it for 6 months. Any heavily CPU coded games or programs just made this thing get way too hot as well as fall on its face. Star Wars the Old Republic is a great example. I got down to 20fps at times with a machine that powerful. Anyway being an AMD fan I was super let down. Wanting to keep something AMD in my new build I used the Sapphire HD 7970 Vapor-X cards and OC them to 1200/1600 in crossfire and I get incredible performance for the money. But for this build I went ASUS Z77 mobo with i7-3770k and now I play games like BF3 on Ultra at 190fps..... I had such high hopes for the FX chips but ended up getting $700 bucks for a system that cost me 2k to build. AMD are you going to make a chip tht will restore our faith again? Or was that the last hooora for AMD in the gaming enthusiest world? Even though I had a terrible experience with the 8350, I would be willing to purchase another CPU from you guys if I thought it could keep up with an intel of the same or even lesser price point. I think a lot of people would. So the question is, what are you going to do about it?

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 09/10/2013 10:53 PM
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What's the point of getting 190FPS when your monitor can only display 60?

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 09/10/2013 11:20 PM
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Sad to hear such a sad story...

 

I'm loving my FX-8350... 

 

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 09/11/2013 12:29 AM
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Another thing to think is , since new video games on consoles are going to be useing 8 core Jaguar based AMD CPU's. AMD 8 core's should perform excellent in next gen console ports. 



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 09/11/2013 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by: Shredit5150 So last year I purchased an entirely new computer based on the FX 8350. I ordered all the parts from Newegg.com and spent around 2 grand. Even did the high end formula mobo, dominator ram, Corsair h100 closed loop cooler (the works) for a gaming system. At the time I saved a little cash by doing the dual GTX 580's from Zotac. Anyway what I noticed from all my benchmarks was a horrible bottleneck at the CPU. Had a really AMD savvy friend come over and overclock the thing to a stable 4.5 Ghz and I still noticed terrible numbers on gaming and benchmarks. RMA the chip, got the new one like 8 days later and still same issue. I faught it for 6 months. Any heavily CPU coded games or programs just made this thing get way too hot as well as fall on its face. Star Wars the Old Republic is a great example. I got down to 20fps at times with a machine that powerful. Anyway being an AMD fan I was super let down. Wanting to keep something AMD in my new build I used the Sapphire HD 7970 Vapor-X cards and OC them to 1200/1600 in crossfire and I get incredible performance for the money.

I upgraded from a Phenom II 960-T to a FX-8350. Out of curiosity I ran SuperPi. The Phenom II 960-T had a slightly lower time than the FX-8350. To me that shows that the FX-8350 even with the higher clock speed was not as good in single thread performance. I still need to try each one with a benchmark to test multi-threaded performance to see how much of a difference there is. So far i have not seen 8 cores to be better than 4 cores but maybe that will change as more programs take advantage of the extra cores.

I was surprised by your statement that the FX-8350 was getting way too hot. How hot was it getting? I have a Corsair H-60. Running Prime95 my CPU core temperature gets up to about 55C. How does that compare with your temperature?

Something you did mention was your case cooling. With two video cards it is even more important that you had good case cooling. Was your case cooling adequate for your build?



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 09/11/2013 01:13 PM
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I respectfully disagree with the OP's perspective on the FX-8350 based on my personal experience and that of many other folks in PC enthusiasts forums. While Bulldozer was pretty much a lateral move performance wise, Vishera is a nice performance bump over Bulldozer and especially Phenom II in my testing and that of many other PC enthusiasts.

There are many poorly written games that do not begin to properly use the 8-cores of the FX-8000 series CPUs. This isn't the processors fault, it's the game makers fault for poor code. With well written games the FX-8350 is up to 50% faster then the Phenom II CPUs, which you would expect. Single thread performance between the FX and Phenom II CPUs is very close with the results varying a couple percent depending on the game code quality. While Vishera does have some performance limitations, many of them are resolved with the Steamroller cores - which is why AMD needs to produce an AM3+ Steamroller CPU.

As far as heat goes, 8-cores is going to produce more heat the 4 or 6 core Phenom or FX CPUs. That's obvious. The FX-8350 still has a max TDP of 125w but it does require a good cooler if you're going to be running it hard for hours such as with video games or Folding or similar. For typical uses a moderate sized HSF is fine. For overclocking you will need a highend tower HSF because Vishera OC's nicely. Many folks are running them P95 stable at 4.6+ GHz. including me.

What AMD really needs to do right now is deliver a socket AM3+ Steamroller based CPU to hold them over until 2015-16 when they will likely have a totally new desktop CPU architecture. A Steamroller drop-in CPU could provide a 15+ % performance bump over Vishera and this would be a good way to extend the value of the AM3+ mobos that AMD customers have and to draw in new customers.

It appears that Global Foundries has their 28nm process all sorted out and plenty of capacity so a Steamroller AM3+ CPU seems to be a natural to me.

The question is how do we start a survey on here for people to demonstrate their interest in a Steamroller AM3+ CPU and how do we get the attention of the decision makers at AMD to launch this CPU production which was originally part of AMD's roadmaps up until recently?

If anyone knows the answers to these two questions, please post.



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 09/11/2013 03:37 PM
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nevermind...  just had a blonde moment..  lol



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Edited: 09/11/2013 at 03:45 PM by neo5555
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