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 12/20/2013 11:01 AM
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hi. i am thinking of buying a new computer. thinking about a total AMD system. how does AMD CPU compare with intel ?

i am most interested with gaming.

reliabilty, performance ( important ), temperature and anything else you can think of.

need to know what you think. thanks.



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 12/20/2013 12:27 PM
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If you are looking to build, you can do very well for a lot less money than intel.  If you buy a system from a brand name, you will probably be disapointed.

If you go highest end intel processor and highest end AMD/NVIDIA gpu (read either), I think you can squeeze about 10 percent more frames per second than with an AMD processor, but that is not always true and not true with all games.  While I can't prove it, I think it is overwhelmingly due to game engine design / multi-threading model / optimization.

I believe (read opinion) if you go with an FX-8350 ($200ish), a quality sealed CPU liquid cooling unit, a well reviewed Asus or similar board (expect to pay $80-$250 depending on features), Patriot / Radeon ram ( I would get at least 16GB), and the best AMD descrete GPU you can afford that you will be very pleased with the results.

Normally as the resolution you play the game at increases, the tighter the race between AMD / intel systems.  The maturity of multi-threading in game engines is still quite low compaired to business applications, so I believe (opinion) that some fair percentage of boost that intel can offer in certain configurations is due to the game engine loop and optimizations rather than the difference in frames per second.  Most movie / video is targetted to apx 28-34 frames per second in 2d, which is the frame rate range of the average human eye.  So when you are talking 77fps vs 70fps and up, I don't think any advatage is in the actual frame count, but rather some unnoticed latency between a user input event (move mouse) and a game state update.  Ideally user input, game state changes, and frame processing would happen completely parallel so one can not interfere with the other, but we are still a ways out from that.

With the new game consoles now using AMD APUs, I think this will help level the playing field as we move forward.

Sorry, ran on.  Hope that explains the pros/cons and some possible reasons.  I will admit here before you purchase, that I am an AMD Fanboy, and have been for over a decade.  I state this so that you may interpret any information or advice I have given in the proper context.



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 12/20/2013 12:30 PM
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AMD processors work just fine for gaming. As far as performance is concerned in gaming there are numerous criteria that play into the results including how well the software is written, what processor you chose, what video card you have, what resoltuion you play at etc.

There are plenty of benches online for you to view if you know what games you want to play and at what resolutions. AMD typically provides an excellent value and PC user experience, though not always the highest frame rates, but again this depends on the specific game.



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Building a reliable PC involves more than just assembling the parts. You need to be able to configure all of the BIOS settings appropriately. This can be quite involved and frustrating as it can require a lot of trial and error with stress testing. It is however often the only means to get a 100% reliable PC.

 12/20/2013 12:31 PM
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The FX range is probably the best AMD currently availiable for gaming. Unfortunately AM3+ socket is going extinct so no upgrade path.

Currently however an FX 63xx or 83xx will probably not bottleneck a top of the range graphics card but that may change with the next generation of cards.

Single core performance Intels are better, a multicore optimised game will perform great on a AMD (Battlefield 4 for instance).

I think a reasonable comparison is to say the 63xx is equal to an entry level i5 and the 83xx are equal to top range i5/entry i7. The A10/A8s are like i3s.

So in conclusion they are fine for gaming, and are great value but the FX range lacks an upgrade path.

 12/20/2013 12:37 PM
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Personally, I think your best value performance wise, are Intel processors and AMD graphics. Google AMD vs Intel processors. Here are the benchmarks for all available CPU's and all graphics cards. It will give you a place to start.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/



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 12/20/2013 12:43 PM
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Socket AM3 is set to end because it's four years old, and as it's time for PCIe 3.0 and DDR4 support, it is a good time to change sockets. How many has Intel gone through the the same time AMD has had one? AM3+ and AM3 are the same socket, and any AM3 board can use AM3+ processors if they have the proper BIOS support.

Now that that's out of the way, Intel will give you a higher top end frame rate, but does it matter if you can get 70 or 100 FPS if your monitor can only display 60? All you're doing is wasting power.

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 12/21/2013 01:07 PM
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Hi of course you want a intel Cpu hehe that has intel sata controller. Amd had great Cpu's when it was a AMD Athlon 64  3400 * but they have lost it to bad AMD used to be always the best and fastest.

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 12/21/2013 02:06 PM
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Let's be careful with the humor... as it can be misleading to some who don't understand that it's humor and not necessarily factual information.



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Building a reliable PC involves more than just assembling the parts. You need to be able to configure all of the BIOS settings appropriately. This can be quite involved and frustrating as it can require a lot of trial and error with stress testing. It is however often the only means to get a 100% reliable PC.

 12/21/2013 03:45 PM
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While the Intel SATA controller is faster, in real world situations it's no faster than AMD's.

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 12/22/2013 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by: Moodtastic Unfortunately AM3+ socket is going extinct so no upgrade path.

I see this statement a lot. Here's AMD's reply.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/news/1240-future-of-amd-cpus-fx-not-eol



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 12/22/2013 10:50 AM
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If we look at the current gaming trend. Pretty much *Every* game minus a few current release's Favor Intel CPU's. 

Why do you ask? It all comes down to bad console ports unable to use more then 1 or two CPU cores. Also the fact that those that use 3 or 4, use them sparringly . 

This leads to intels huge lead due to throughput often referered to as Instructions per clock. 

Take skyrim for example. On a 4ghz 8320 Skyrim is severly CPU limted. due to AMD's Low IPC. Where as at any resolution intel enjoys a very nice lead.

Other MMO style games like World of Warcraft. Starwars, Eve online. All heavily favor intels IPC advantage. And thus a very nice lead intel. 

New games however such as TombRaider, Battlefield 4, Crysis 3 ,all things being equal an 8350(8c/8t or however AMD wants to call it) does about as well as Intels 3570 I5 series.  ( 4c/4t)

So if you are looking at the current gaming trend vs down the road all things equal there is really *no* reason to spend money on an AMD platform. I say this as an own of both an AMD and intel systems. 

But what about PCI-E 3.0? Well when it comes to Gaming . There is no difference , no current card is actually going to saturate a PCI-E 2.0 16X Slot. However Open CL does benefit from 3.0. 

So really its up to you. 



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 12/22/2013 11:09 AM
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Hi and yes I know it is only s small thing but. I would like to see what video card and what sata controller I have in device manager. It is the fine points of a finished product that make it great or just ok. To me 7900 series or AMD sata controller is just not up to par and it is a simple fix to have the exact controller or video card listed.

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 12/22/2013 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by: Hardwood
Originally posted by: Moodtastic Unfortunately AM3+ socket is going extinct so no upgrade path.

I see this statement a lot. Here's AMD's reply.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/news/1240-future-of-amd-cpus-fx-not-eol

People are confusing FX and socket AM3+.

Socket AM3+ is EOL Q1 of '15. The FX processor name may continue on but it won't be on socket AM3+ after Q1 of '15.

As far as the SATA controller is concerned there is no tangible performance diff in typical PC use including games.

As far as core count AMD's FX-8xxx series does in fact have 8 cores. Some Intel folks confuse this because they only have 4 real cores and 4 virtual cores, where as AMD FX-8xxxx series have 8 real cores based on 4 clusters of dual core elements, thus 4 x 2 = 8 true cores.

Regarding performance, the better the gaming software is written to feed all the cores available, the better the higher core count processors such as the FX-8xxx function.

m1tp2king-

As I stated early on, the AMD powered systems run games just fine. If all you care about is benching or frame rates then you can spend more on an Intel system for bragging rights but no tangible performance advantage in actual PC use.

The choice is yours.



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Building a reliable PC involves more than just assembling the parts. You need to be able to configure all of the BIOS settings appropriately. This can be quite involved and frustrating as it can require a lot of trial and error with stress testing. It is however often the only means to get a 100% reliable PC.

 12/22/2013 02:06 PM
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Have to agree with Vantharas on this one...

I was an avid AMD fan for over a decade, but recently switched over to Intel.

The gaming performance boost was amazing to say the least.

I too believed all the reviews/websites claiming that as far as games are concerned AMD/Intel were equal...  It's not until you try it for yourself that you realize that this is far from true...

With this 4770K at default speed, i feel like i'm now getting full potential of my 7970 crossfire setup..



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 12/22/2013 11:13 PM
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If you are comparing similar level CPUs the performance is very similar and that has been documented by many independent sources.

I know that you like many of us are unhappy with AMD's decision to not provide an upgrade path for the AM3+ but let's keep things honest.



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Building a reliable PC involves more than just assembling the parts. You need to be able to configure all of the BIOS settings appropriately. This can be quite involved and frustrating as it can require a lot of trial and error with stress testing. It is however often the only means to get a 100% reliable PC.

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Oh yes, a 4 year old socket still needs compatibility...Are you mental?

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 12/23/2013 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by: AMDforMe If you are comparing similar level CPUs the performance is very similar and that has been documented by many independent sources.

 

Right...  but how do you measure this ?  What you see as "similar level" may not be what i see ( or anyone else for that matter ).

I saw my FX-8350 at the same "level" as a 3770k or 4770k ...   High end AMD vs high end Intel..  Thats how i measure it, but others will see it differently as i am sure you do.



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Most people compare based on the CPU cost. That being said AMD usually compares well as they tend to provide the best bang for the buck. Only a small percentage of consumers are willing to pay the price premium that Intel charges for faster CPUs (than AMDs), as they simply don't deliver good value.



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Building a reliable PC involves more than just assembling the parts. You need to be able to configure all of the BIOS settings appropriately. This can be quite involved and frustrating as it can require a lot of trial and error with stress testing. It is however often the only means to get a 100% reliable PC.

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This is only valid on puchasing a CPU.

When purchasing a complete system, people look for the Intel logo.

Most people buy complete systems...

 

Anyway, lets agree to disagree.  This could go on for a long time..  lol 

 



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 12/24/2013 12:23 AM
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Originally posted by: AMDforMe Most people compare based on the CPU cost. That being said AMD usually compares well as they tend to provide the best bang for the buck. Only a small percentage of consumers are willing to pay the price premium that Intel charges for faster CPUs (than AMDs), as they simply don't deliver good value.

 

i think your definition of similar is misleading. Its been documented by many sources an FX series CPU will put out 80FPS and an intel system will put out over 100... 

Over and over and over.. and over... And the list goes on. 

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-review,3328-14.html

And pretty much every other review looks like that. Any console port performs extremely horrid next to the intel counterpart , where as games like the BF series. perform on par. 

But would your rather have a CPU that plays 20% of current games well and the other 80%.. not so great? I mean the decision is up to you. And as far as value is concerned I'll spend the 50$ for 30% more performance in console port games. (and if you shop intellegently you can get an intel system for the exact same price like I did. my 3570K was bought up cheaper then the 8350s were retail. ) 

But if AMD lead us to believe with them winning consoles. Future games this may become irrelevant.



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