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 01/01/2014 05:19 AM
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delpiero10
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Hello everyone,and a happy new year, i am new in this forum but i am an old fan of amd, i am going to build a new pc in next weeks, so i want some advices from the experts.

First,what motherboard would best fit with the amd fx 8350 4.0 gz

and what graphics card would be work good with all the system.

 

Oh i forgot to mention that i want the pc to work the 3ds max studio 2014 and rendering.

thanks a lot i am waiting for your ideas , happy new year

 



 


 

 01/01/2014 10:31 AM
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What is your budget?

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 01/01/2014 12:13 PM
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my budget is 1000 euro  only for the tower,i want the best option available for this amd 8350fx  4.0 gz.

 01/01/2014 02:08 PM
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ASUS Sabertooth 990FX motherboard. As for the graphics card, the 7970 Ghz Edition/280X if you only have a single monitor.

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 01/01/2014 03:04 PM
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There are a limited number of AM3+ mobos that are properly engineered to support the 8-core FX CPUs under anything but modest load. Even though some mobo makers claim their mobo supports the FX-8350, history has shown that the mobo VRM circuit on many mobos overheats in use and throttles the CPU frequency to prevent the VRM circuit from literally burning up. Thus one needs to be careful when buying a mobo for the 8-core FX processors.

After careful review of all the avialble AM3+ mobos I chose the Asrock 990FX Fatality Pro and run my FX-8350 OC'd to 4600 MHz. 24/7 without any issues. The Asrock Extreme9 is a similar, newer mobo model and it is also approved for and confirmed to work just fine with the 8-core FX CPUs. Both of these Asrock models have a 12+2 phase VRM design which is fully capable of supporting even the FX-9000 series CPUs should you decide to upgrade at some point in the future. There are only a handful of AM3+ mobos that have a proper VRM circuit design to power the 220w TDP FX-9000 series CPUs.

I've been building highend PCs for 20 years and I have used all the major mobo brands. The only two mobos that ever failed were Asus so I no longer recommend them. Years ago Asus was a top notch mobo maker but they outsource mobo production to other companies and that has proven to be a real issue for quality control and reliability. The review sites are encouraged to hype the Asus mobos but when you see objective, independent testing of all the major mobos by unbias sources you see that the Asrock Fatality Pro and Extreme9 score as good or better than the Asus or Gigabyte mobos that consumers purchase. Customer Support from these two companies is unacceptable IME compared to good support from Asrock.

Over the years I have used and liked Gigabyte's Ultra Durable series mobos up to the time the AMD FX processors were released. It turns out that none of the Gigabyte mobos except a couple of the very latest Rev. "FXA UD" models have a proper VRM circuit to handle the 8-core FX CPUs. Thus I can't recommend any of the Gigabyte mobos other than the "FXA UD" models for an 8-core FX CPU. It's worth noting that Gigabyte denied they had any VRM issues for years with their mobos and 8-core CPUs even when their own test proved they did. Thus I no longer trust nor recommend Gigabyte.

The graphics card depends a lot of your needs as well as budget. There are many online reviews to give you an idea of performance vs. cost which can be significantly different in Europe than the U.S. The latest and greatest Vid card may or may not be the best product for your needs.



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Building a reliable PC involves more than just assembling the parts. You need to be able to configure all of the BIOS settings appropriately. This can be quite involved and frustrating as it can require a lot of trial and error with stress testing. It is however often the only means to get a 100% reliable PC.

 01/02/2014 09:17 AM
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so what you think,amd fx 8350 4.0 gz with the 990fx mobo and
 Kingston 16GB HyperX Predator T2 2133MHz CL11 (Kit of 2) would work properly gaining the most of it ;

 01/02/2014 09:45 AM
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I'm not HUGE on Kingston products, they used to be great but now they're a bit overpriced for what you get. Take, for example, the G.SKILL RipjawsX 2x8GB DDR3 2133 $10 cheaper, and a bit faster due to the lower CAS timing.

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 01/02/2014 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by: delpiero10 so what you think,amd fx 8350 4.0 gz with the 990fx mobo and  Kingston 16GB HyperX Predator T2 2133MHz CL11 (Kit of 2) would work properly gaining the most of it ;

There is no system performance gain to be had with RAM faster than 1866 MHz. Even 1600 MHz. is not a real system bottleneck. Spending more money on high frequency RAM is just throwing your money away as extensive testing with real applications from games to office applications shows no tangible system gains. DDR3 RAM running at 1600 MHz. or better on a CPU based PC is completely different from the days of slower DDR2 RAM. Neither the RAM timings nor frequency make any tangible difference as long as the frequency is 1600 MHz. or higher.

Don't wast your money on DDR3 RAM with top mounted heatsinks as DDR3 RAM does not run hot and does not need these heatsinks which cause clearance issues with the larger heastsink/fans required for an 8-core FX CPU.

As far as the actual RAM purchase buy ONE RAM KIT in the total qty. that you desire. Do not buy multiple kits and mix them as this can cause memory conflicts even with the same RAM part numbers. In theory you should be able to use ANY DDR3 RAM and mix and match but as CPU speeds increase and RAM varies slightly, it does not always work out as intended.

Kingston memory is run of the mill DDR3 RAM. It should work as long as it's approved for your CPU/mobo. I however would reiterate that you pick 1866 MHz. RAM without top mounted heatsinks and buy a good HSF such as the Xigmatek Aegir SD128264 if you plan to run your system hard. This is a large tower HSF and it works wonderfully if you have room for it in your PC case.

http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2572



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Building a reliable PC involves more than just assembling the parts. You need to be able to configure all of the BIOS settings appropriately. This can be quite involved and frustrating as it can require a lot of trial and error with stress testing. It is however often the only means to get a 100% reliable PC.

 01/03/2014 08:53 AM
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first of all thanks for replying to me,

Secondly can you suggest me a build up , for the amd fx 8350.tell me what memory should fit best what graphics card and what mobo ? i have a budget for the tower only 1050 euro .

 thanks in advance

 01/03/2014 09:36 AM
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Depends on what games you are going to play or the GPGPU applications you are going to use, as well as the resolution of your monitor.

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 01/03/2014 10:21 AM
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i am going to use the 3d rendering and the 3ds mas studio 2014 not for gaming.the resolution i want is the simple 1080p1980x1024

 01/03/2014 12:00 PM
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I would drop the R280X , or 7970. Simply because of the massive mark up they have right now. I'd replace it with an Nvidia 770, or 780GTX. Personal opinion though as I don't care one way or the other for Nvidia or AMD.



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 01/10/2014 10:30 AM
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Hi yes the massive rebranding to make the R series cards just does not sit well with me. From benchmarks the gtx 780 is faster than the R290x with less heat. So due to this fact I just built a new pc and I always use AMD for one pc when I build a new one it is Nvidia  I switch back and forth to see what everyone has to offer. I put the GTX 780 Lightning in the new pc very happy. But the next new pc I will use AMD again. I was very happy with the 7900 series and will still use the pc they are in.

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