Topic Title: Any plans to make FM2+ Viable
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 01/13/2014 01:13 AM
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Just wondering if there is any reason to wait on FM2+ and steamroller to debut, I know AM3_ will not be getting steamroller, will FM2+ get 6-8 core chips with L3 cache. Anyone heard any rumors about that possibility, I feel kinda burned I bought piledriver with steamroller in mind on AM3+ and the FX6300 is a great chip but its slow in sevral tasks I do, and unless someone has heard a rumor to there being an entusiast class steamroller I will need to switch to Intel. So any rumors on a good FM2+ chip in the pipeline or is intel now the only place left for enthusiats to go?



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 01/13/2014 08:58 AM
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I hope AMD management is reading all of the posts like this in forums all over the Net...



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 01/13/2014 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by: AMDforMe I hope AMD management is reading all of the posts like this in forums all over the Net...

 

 

me as well, right now you can offer a viable platform solution for your highend, if they abandon the enthusiat market, no argument can be made a quad core with minimal L2 and no L3 is viable for gaming and meaning to use the most of there high end GPU's you need Intel, I think this is a bad direction to head into. 

Honestly I enjoy the bang for buck of AMD, but I also need a CPU that can handle mutli threaded workloads, and because I do alot of 3d modeling as a hobby it means I need cores and I need large cache. 



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Unfortunately AMD made choices and some of them are going to hurt them and PC enthusiasts badly, IMO.



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 01/13/2014 02:29 PM
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Wishful thinking perhaps but...

Maybe AMD have "quit" the performance race in order to slow it right down.

If Intel have no-one to race they may be inclined to slow down....  This may give AMD time to catch up and suprise everyone in a few years time with some awesome CPU and put them back in the race...

Who knows...



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 01/14/2014 08:58 AM
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It's all about Compute Cores now.

 

http://microsoft-news.com/amd-talks-about-its-next-generation-apus-with-12-compute-cores-which-costs-significantly-less-than-intel-chips/



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It should be about cores, but most non server and non HPC applications still cannot take advantage of more than 4 effectively.

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 01/14/2014 12:57 PM
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Poorly written code has held AMD's multi-core processors back for years. We don't even have a lot of good 64-bit code as there is a lot of hacked 32-bit code still in play. It's absurd and due to lazy companies who just keep raking in the $$$ because consumers will buy crapware.



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 01/15/2014 08:41 AM
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Originally posted by: black_zion It should be about cores, but most non server and non HPC applications still cannot take advantage of more than 4 effectively.

but those of us that do right now an FX 6300 is a great low cost chip but what about in a year  when I upgrade, I do every year and half upgrades, will AMD have anything out there for people who need the raw power, right now there APU line is limited to 2 modules and a small L2. Are we being abandoned by AMD, are we about to head back into the black days of the K5?

Lets face one truth, right now programs are written to make use of cores, not compute units and intel owns the market squarley and there IGP's are terrible at compute so Intel will bribe like they always have to keep optimized code getting made for AMD, think back to 3d now, how many programs actully took advantage of 3d now?

AMD needs to get steamroller on AM3+, and they need it to have L3 and more than 4 cores plain and simple



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 01/15/2014 08:53 AM
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I doubt it will come to AM3+. With AMD due for a chipset update to support PCIe 3.0, USB 3.0, and DDR4, I imagine they will be made for a new socket.

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 01/15/2014 09:18 AM
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Socket AM3+ is officially EOL in Q1 of '15 and there are no plans to produce anything but Piledriver based CPUs for it.

It's unfortunate that AMD dropped the ball on AM3+ as there is no need for a chipset update for the current installed AM3+ customer base, most of whom would upgrade to a Steamroller CPU if it were available. Polls in several enthusiasts forums showed that 92-95% of exiting AM3+ owners would purchase a Steamroller core AM3+ CPU that delivered a ~15% increase in performance over Vishera, which Steamroller cores can do.

AMD basically shot itself in the foot and killed any chance for a viable upgrade path for millions of existing AM3+ users and/or those looking for a discrete CPU/GPU desktop system.



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 01/15/2014 09:33 AM
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Because Socket AM3+ is a very minor update to Socket AM3, which is FIVE YEARS OLD. It is time for a change, quit berating AMD about finally switching to a new socket when Intel, in the same period that AMD has effectively had one, has had 5 (LGA 1150, 1155, 1156, 1366, 2011) and announced LGA 1151 for their Skylake processors next year. AMD has not "basically shot themselves in the foot", they are actually doing what they need to do, which is update their hardware.

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 01/15/2014 01:21 PM
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AMD knows they blew it by not releasing a Steamroller AM3+ CPU that was on their roadmap. Customers who bought AM3+ mobos fully planned to continue using their AM3+ systems right in to '15 with the planned CPU releases. The fact that 90+% of AMD customers with AM3+ mobos wanted Steamroller and would actually buy a Steamroller AM3+ CPU shows that AMD made a huge error in their business decisions.

AMD has virtually nothing for a desktop CPU until some time in 2015 at the earliest. That's a very poor way to operate a CPU business and these poor decisions are reflected in AMD's sales and stock price. Hoping that frustrated and abandoned AM3+ customers will buy Kaveri is wishful thinking that is going to cost AMD dearly in both sales and reputation. Why should PC enthusiasts trust AMD after this latest fiasco? Too little, too late pretty much sums up AMD and this is why they continue to alienate existing and potential customers.

They just don't seem to get it...which is pretty sad.



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