black_zion Heavy Wizardry
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4 years, almost 4/12, in computer terms that is about....going from the Industrial Revolution to today. It's all well and good to say "AMD needs to put out drivers now! The Catalyst crew needs to do their jobs!" but think about what you're asking: 4 operating systems, 47 desktop cards, over double that in mobility and APU's, and that's not counting the upcoming HD 8000 series cards, now you want AMD to more than double that number by keeping legacy cards up to date all the while dealing with developers that put out half finished games which run like molasses in January and trying to keep on top of bugs. AMD doesn't have the resources of nVidia, they don't have a TWIMTBP program, and considering all they get done, they do a really damn good job. Oh, and this isn't even counting all they work they do for the professional Fire series or drivers for the ever changing Linux market. Just be glad that after 4 1/2 years AMD is supporting your card at all, AMD could be like Adobe and say "Yes we are aware of this critical security bug, but we're not going to patch it, you must lay out another couple hundred dollars to upgrade to the newest version!"
Not quite Industrial Revolution, 1950s B&W film, maybe :-)
When you're an aged thing like me, 2009 feels like last Tuesday.
Nevertheless, the point being made is test your drivers against the released OS please, don't just cobble a port together using an OS Beta and nail "AS IS" to them.
Eydee Recompile The World
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Originally posted by: black_zion 4 years, almost 4/12, in computer terms that is about....going from the Industrial Revolution to today.
Except in gaming these days, which has been frozen since 2005 when the current generation consoles were released, especially the 360. Even 4-year-old hardware can play almost anything at high details, that's why they have to be moved to legacy status by force. Otherwise people wouldn't buy new stuff as it's no longer needed.
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True. When the two HD4870x2 cards in my steam powered crate are in Crossfire mode they cope with anything I've thrown at them; Pong, Space Invaders, Solitaire... you name it ;-)
OK, with Crysis, for example, maybe not with FPS numbers to match the latest cards, but high enough to give a smooth, detailed gaming experience on 26" screens running at their maximum resolution of 1920x1200. Left 4 Dead can be maxed out without Crossfire mode being set :-)
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Originally posted by: black_zion 4 years, almost 4/12, in computer terms that is about....going from the Industrial Revolution to today. It's all well and good to say "AMD needs to put out drivers now! The Catalyst crew needs to do their jobs!" but think about what you're asking: 4 operating systems, 47 desktop cards, over double that in mobility and APU's, and that's not counting the upcoming HD 8000 series cards, now you want AMD to more than double that number by keeping legacy cards up to date all the while dealing with developers that put out half finished games which run like molasses in January and trying to keep on top of bugs. AMD doesn't have the resources of nVidia, they don't have a TWIMTBP program, and considering all they get done, they do a really damn good job. Oh, and this isn't even counting all they work they do for the professional Fire series or drivers for the ever changing Linux market. Just be glad that after 4 1/2 years AMD is supporting your card at all, AMD could be like Adobe and say "Yes we are aware of this critical security bug, but we're not going to patch it, you must lay out another couple hundred dollars to upgrade to the newest version!"
Just about everything you said there is wrong in one way or another, so you need this t-shirt.
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Black Zion, I really have to question your motives on this forum. I've seen many people coming in and asking what I think are legitimate questions, and most of them, after reading your posts, will probably leave and never return. Your posts are inflammatory and rude, and seem to suggest that anyone asking is question is just stupid. Well that's the point of forums. For people to learn from one another. Why do your posts have to be so horrid all of the time? It's truly a chore reading through any thread that you've posted in because I feel sorry for the OPs.
That being said, I think this guy has a really good question. How can you move the HD4000 series to legacy? I guess you have to draw the line somewhere, but the HD4000 series is still pretty recent. I don't see how nVidia finally moving the 6 and 7 series to legacy makes it better for AMD to do this, because the 6 and 7 series Geforce cards have been out, quite literally, forever. I understand that AMD doesn't have the resources of nVidia, but this decision seems pretty arbitrary. Don't know what will get done with it, but I understand the OPs frustration.
My two cents.
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Originally posted by: black_zion 4 years, almost 4/12, in computer terms that is about....going from the Industrial Revolution to today. It's all well and good to say "AMD needs to put out drivers now! The Catalyst crew needs to do their jobs!" but think about what you're asking: 4 operating systems, 47 desktop cards, over double that in mobility and APU's, and that's not counting the upcoming HD 8000 series cards, now you want AMD to more than double that number by keeping legacy cards up to date all the while dealing with developers that put out half finished games which run like molasses in January and trying to keep on top of bugs. AMD doesn't have the resources of nVidia, they don't have a TWIMTBP program, and considering all they get done, they do a really damn good job. Oh, and this isn't even counting all they work they do for the professional Fire series or drivers for the ever changing Linux market. Just be glad that after 4 1/2 years AMD is supporting your card at all, AMD could be like Adobe and say "Yes we are aware of this critical security bug, but we're not going to patch it, you must lay out another couple hundred dollars to upgrade to the newest version!"
I have an Acer Aspire 5920G 6 years old laptop, with an old (November 2006) nvidia mobile 8600gt on it. Simply browsing www.nvidia.com I find out that under "Download Driver" section, I can find the newest driver for this old card :
Version : 310.70 WHQL Release Date : 2012.12.17 SO : Windows 8 64-bit, Windows 7 64-bit, Windows Vista 64-bit
So I think "wow they released a new version 4 days ago for a 6 years old card!"
Then I browse www.ati.com and there I find out that :
1) There is no WHQL official win 8 driver for my newer (2008) and more expensive desktop ati HD4890 sapphire toxic card. Strange thing I can play all the most recent games with that card without any issue, so I can't understand why I should buy a new one or why it should be considered 'legacy'
2) In the official ATI forum I find that someone even tries to defend ATI on this matter and stands for an argument like "you ask too much to ATI" trying to prove this point without even knowing what they are talking about
wow you made me hold my breath
so going back to more serious point :
ATI , could you please release an official WHQL (and of course WDM 1.1) driver for my not-so-old card ? I would really appreciate to have an ATI as my next graphical card.
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Originally posted by: DrAg0n Uber bump
This is still a peer-to-peer forum. We didn't turn into driver developers in a few days, even if it's surprising for you. Bumping is as useless as making the whole thread was. If you want to achieve something, contact AMD, not your fellow users.
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CPU: Pentium 4 Northwood S478 @ 3200MHz | RAM: 1,5GB DDR 400| MoBo: Gigabyte GA-8S661FXMP-RZ | GPU: Abit Geforce Ti 4200 | Display: Dimarson 19" CRT | PSU: Noname 400W | OS: MS Windows XP Pro, Fedora 18
This is still a peer-to-peer forum. We didn't turn into driver developers in a few days, even if it's surprising for you. Bumping is as useless as making the whole thread was. If you want to achieve something, contact AMD, not your fellow users.
I don't think this is only a peer to peer forum. And even if it was you misunderstood my goal. Even if it's surprising for you, I don't really think they will ever do a Win 8 Driver for my card. I just want to rise awareness. There is only one thing worse than unjustice, and it's unnoticed unjustice. Now lemme bump my thread and let some amd admin ban this 3 posts forum account of mine. At least they'll know why they won't get my next x00$ for graphic cards.
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