Topic Title: Which drivers are working with HD 3850 AGP graphic card?
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 01/21/2013 01:57 PM
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xxsawer
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Hi,

I have following configuration:

CPU: AMD Athlon XP 3200+
Mother board: Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe
Graphic card: Sapphire HD 3850 AGP 512 MB
Disk: 500GB WD VelociRaptor (WD5000HHTZ)
RAM: 3GB - composed of three 1GB modules (Kingston KHX3200AK2/2G)
Legal version of Win XP 32bit SP3 + including all updates

 

I have bought a new hard drive and did a clean system install. I did all updates via Windows Update and then tried to install latest hotfix drivers (12.6). After running the installation I was only able to install the Catalyst Install Manager. Nothing else was listed in the component list. See screenshot below.

Catalyst 12.6 for 3850 AGP graphic card

 

When I go to Device Manager and look for graphic card hardware ID, I see:

PCI\VEN = 1002 and DEV = 9515

 

Looking into the vendor / device database here:

http://www.pcidatabase.com/

I can find that Vendor = 1002 stands for AMD and Device 9515 is 3850 AGP graphic card.

Now if I look for the .inf file which is by default present here:

C:\AMD\Support\12-6-legacy_xp32_dd_ccc_whql\Packages\Drivers\Display\XP_INF\CX142837.inf

I can see that there is no such Vendor / Device combination !!!

Now if I look into the 12.4 version, I can find this Vendor / Device combination:

"%AMD9515.1%" = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9515

AMD9515.1 = "ATI Radeon HD 3850 AGP"

I can find the same e.g. in 12.1 drivers.

What I don't understand is why AMD states that this driver is aplicable for 3xxx graphic cards when the support at least for 3850 AGP card was removed???

The 12.6 driver was released about half year ago, when AMD plans to fix this???

 

However this all is just a detail...

I installed the 12.4 driver. I opened Firefox and experienced terrible problems. Opening a menu took several seconds with CPU usage of 100% The same with displaying a tooltip. Sometimes the pages were redrawn from top to bottom for several seconds. FF was crashing very often. I believe this is because FF has some hardware acceleration. When trying browsing via IE, I only experienced crashes. I also had problems with movie playing. So I tried lower versions 12.3, 12.1, 11.12 and so on... (of course I removed the driver via Catalyst Intall Manager before installing a new one). All of them had the same issue. Being desperate I started to look over the internet and found e.g. this:

http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=454&threadid=161249&highlight_key=y&keyword1=hotfix

I am experiencing exactly what ZebC mentioned.

"Problem is, cat 12.8 AGP version, doesn't contains correct info. In fact, so called "agp hotfix" is just ordinary "non-agp" version. Last proper "agp version" was CAT 12.4. So, those "strange" users who are still using an APG graphics card are advised to search and install an older version of catalyst suite. Probably something from 11.x line is the best option, because 12.x has some strange problem with 2d layer acceleration (e.g in the firefox)."

 

After many and many trials I ended with 10.12 drivers. Now I am not experiencing issues in FF as described above, but have different issues in FF on pages with Flash. Even when such page is not displayed, but is behind another window, FF is taking 100% of CPU power in regular intervals (for 3-5s every 10s) and after some time FF crashes or whole system crashes.

 

Is here anybody who has Win XP 32bit and 3580 AGP card? If so which drivers are working without any issues?

 

I don't understand how AMD can even release such drivers, when they are obviously unusable...

 01/21/2013 05:01 PM
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http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/legacy/Pages/legacy-radeonaiw-xp.aspx

..and you should read before installing

http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=444&threadid=162109&enterthread=y

http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=444&threadid=162444&enterthread=y



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 01/22/2013 04:41 PM
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Hi Stumped,

thanks for your reply.

First I would like to mention that the AMD Cleanup Utility isn't runnable on Win XP, I get an error message that minimum is Win 7.

I uninstalled the driver normally via Catalyst Install Manager, rebooted, uninstalled the Install Manager itself and then deleted the rest via DriverSweeper. Then I ran the 13.1 driver and got this:

Catalyst 13.1 for 3850 AGP graphic card

 

So again, I opened the .inf file:

C:\AMD\Support\13-1-legacy_xp32_dd_ccc_whql\Packages\Drivers\Display\XP_INF\CX151985.inf

 

Searched for my Device ID = 9515 and found nothing. So again the support for AGP 3850 graphic card is not present in this version. Looking into your first link, there is no mention about if this driver is related to the AGP or PCI-E version, but I think it is for PCI-E only.

 01/22/2013 06:32 PM
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Hi these seem to cover the agp with a hotfix they are the 12.6 ones.  http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/CatalystAGPHotfix.aspx



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 01/23/2013 03:56 PM
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Hi,

thanks for reply, but if you look at my first comment, you will see that 12.6 are also unusable for AGP version of HD 3850.

 01/23/2013 04:15 PM
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And you've tried using older versions of Flash?

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 01/23/2013 05:26 PM
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What do you mean older versions of Flash? You mean flash player? No I didn't. But this is not the point. Why would I downgrade the flash? I even set it to automatic updates since Adobe releases new version almost every week. The point is that the hotfix drivers are completely unusable at least from version 11.12 and latest two releases even cannot be installed when having AGP version of HD 3850.

 01/24/2013 05:26 AM
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Not that I have a choice with my aged 1950pro, but 10.2 is the old reliable when it comes to AGP.



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 01/24/2013 02:18 PM
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Hi, thanks for reply. Currently I have 10.3 installed and they seem to work somehow. I will install 10.2 in case of any problems.

However the approach of AMD makes my cry. I think that 3850 was the best graphic card for AGP and it was stoped being sold probably in 2010. Since this time they release only crap

 01/31/2013 04:44 AM
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That should offload your CPU. Also, do a proper driver uninstall/install if you haven't. Basically, delete nvidia card's drivers and the drivers you installed for your current card. After restart, enter safe mod and delete any driver leftovers with "driver sweeper" (small driver cleaning software that you can find here on guru3d ). Then restart back to windows and install new drivers.



Edited: 01/31/2013 at 02:05 PM by AMD Support and Game Moderator
 01/31/2013 07:57 AM
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Hi Joseph,
I appreciate you want to contribute, but please read the whole thread first.

Why would I get rid of my CPU? I think this is the best CPU for Socket A. Changing a CPU would mean changing of motherboard and everything and once I change this, I for sure will not buy an AGP graphic card...

As I already mentioned this is fresh installation on new harddrive. There was never any NVIDIA graphic card before. I used Driver Sweeper as already mentioned in Stumped tutorials.

 

Btw. I would like to mention that it is really sad that AMD is not able to uninstall the drivers on its own via Install Manager.

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