Topic Title: Radeon HD 4870 X2 & Windows 8.1
Topic Summary: Driver Issues
Created On: 05/04/2014 09:22 PM
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 05/04/2014 09:22 PM
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I've recently installed Windows 8, My GFX card is using a Microsoft Driver, I Tried installing the ATI drivers, it installed some things but won't install the gfx drivers..... is the card not supported in Windows 8 with ATI drivers?

Is a driver clean up and force install needed? 

 05/04/2014 09:45 PM
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It does not meet the minimum requirements of Windows 8.1.

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 05/05/2014 08:56 AM
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That's not to say it won't work, look at computer #2 in my sig. I forced that install and it's stable.



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 05/05/2014 09:19 AM
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No matter what you force, it is impossible for the card to meet the requirements of Win 8.1....namely WDDM 1.3. You can get away with it in Windows 8....not 8.1. So you should expect issues.

Wiki:

WDDM 1.1[edit]

Windows 7 supports major additions to WDDM known as WDDM 1.1; the details of this new version were unveiled at WinHEC 2008. New features include:[9]

Hardware acceleration of GDI and Direct2D/DirectWrite operations helps reduce memory footprint in Windows 7, because DWM compositing engine no longer needs to keep a system memory copy of all surfaces used by GDI/GDI+, as in Windows Vista.[20][21][22]

DXGI 1.1, Direct3D 11, Direct2D, and DirectWrite were made available with Windows Vista Platform Update; however GDI/GDI+ in Vista continues to rely on software rendering[23] and the Desktop Window Manager continues to use Direct3D 9Ex.[24]

WDDM 1.1 drivers are backward compatible with WDDM 1.0 specification; both 1.0 and 1.1 drivers can be used in Windows Vista with or without the Platform Update.[9]

WDDM 1.2[edit]

Windows 8 includes WDDM 1.2[25][26] and DXGI 1.2.[26][27] New features were first previewed at the Windows BUILD 2011 conference and include performance improvements as well as support for stereoscopic 3D rendering and video playback.

Other major features include preemptive multitasking with finer granularity (DMA buffer, primitive, triangle, pixel, or instruction-level),[28] reduced memory footprint, improved resource sharing, and faster timeout detection and recovery. 16-bit color surface formats (565, 5551, 4444) are mandatory in Windows 8, and Direct3D 11 Video supports YUV 4:4:4/4:2:2/4:2:0/4:1:1 video formats with 8, 10, and 16-bit precision, as well as 4 and 8-bit palettized formats.[29]

WDDM 1.0/1.1 only allows rudimentary task scheduling using "batch queue" granularity; improvements to multitasking, as well as fast context switching and support for virtual memory, were initially expected in WDDM 2.0 and 2.1, announced at WinHEC 2006.[30][31][32]

WDDM 1.3[edit]

Windows 8.1 includes WDDM1.3[33] and DXGI 1.3.[34] New additions according to preliminary do*****entation are trim DXGI adapter memory usage, multi-plane overlays, overlapping swap chains and swap chain scaling, select backbuffer subregion for swap chain and lower-latency swap chain presentation. Driver feature additions include wireless displays (Miracast), YUV format ranges, cross-adapter resources and GPU engine enumeration capabilities.



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Edited: 05/05/2014 at 12:09 PM by stumped
 05/05/2014 06:06 PM
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You may want to try FLEM, though success is not guaranteed. It is however advertised to be able to mod drivers to be installable under 8.1 and it did when I tried it, even with the x1650.



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 05/07/2014 05:16 AM
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WDDM 1.3[edit]

Windows 8.1 includes WDDM1.3[33] and DXGI 1.3.[34] New additions according to preliminary do*****entation are trim DXGI adapter memory usage, multi-plane overlays, overlapping swap chains and swap chain scaling, select backbuffer subregion for swap chain and lower-latency swap chain presentation. Driver feature additions include wireless displays (Miracast), YUV format ranges, cross-adapter resources and GPU engine enumeration capabilities.

 

 

So why can a nvidia gfore 8xxx(from 2006?)  meet that impossible requirements.

AMD is just lazy and want us to buy a new card. But this time(loyal ATI customer for 15years) my new card will be from nvidea.

 05/07/2014 08:42 AM
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Or just don't use Windows 8.1 on a desktop...You complain about old hardware not working with new software, but you don't argue about Microsoft selling you Windows Vista 3 times?

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 05/07/2014 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by: black_zion Or just don't use Windows 8.1 on a desktop...You complain about old hardware not working with new software, but you don't argue about Microsoft selling you Windows Vista 3 times?

If only it was Vista again. This time it's full HD Android...



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 05/09/2014 03:25 PM
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dude to make it run smoothly follow these steps:

1) download the driver (legacy 8 64bit):

http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop/legacy?product=legacy2&os=Windows%208%20-%2064

2) disconnect your internet connection from (network and sharing center) to prevent windows from downloading the driver automatically 'see next step'

3) go to device manager 'win + x from desktop of windows 8.1' then choose display adapter then double click your card and go to driver tab and uninstall the driver

4) install the catalyst you downloaded from step 1 and it should works fine

* hope developers publish new release of legacy drivers that works perfect with new window

 

 05/09/2014 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by: shrlk dude to make it run smoothly follow these steps:

 

1) download the driver (legacy 8 64bit):

 

http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop/legacy?product=legacy2&os=Windows%208%20-%2064

 

2) disconnect your internet connection from (network and sharing center) to prevent windows from downloading the driver automatically 'see next step'

 

3) go to device manager 'win + x from desktop of windows 8.1' then choose display adapter then double click your card and go to driver tab and uninstall the driver

 

4) install the catalyst you downloaded from step 1 and it should works fine

 

* hope developers publish new release of legacy drivers that works perfect with new window

 

 

 

Won't happen.



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 05/10/2014 02:01 AM
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Originally posted by: stumped
Originally posted by: shrlk dude to make it run smoothly follow these steps:

 

 

 

1) download the driver (legacy 8 64bit):

 

 

 

http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop/legacy?product=legacy2&os=Windows%208%20-%2064

 

 

 

2) disconnect your internet connection from (network and sharing center) to prevent windows from downloading the driver automatically 'see next step'

 

 

 

3) go to device manager 'win + x from desktop of windows 8.1' then choose display adapter then double click your card and go to driver tab and uninstall the driver [IMG][/IMG]

 

 

 

4) install the catalyst you downloaded from step 1 and it should works fine

 

 

 

* hope developers publish new release of legacy drivers that works perfect with new window [IMG][/IMG]

 

 

 

   

 

 

Won't happen.

 

Let him test and tell me

 05/10/2014 03:24 AM
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Originally posted by: shrlk d

 

 

 

 

 

* hope developers publish new release of legacy drivers that works perfect with new window

 

 

 

It won't happen.



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