Topic Title: Which AMD FX CPU should I buy?
Topic Summary: I'm not sure which CPU to buy. Any help would be appreciated!
Created On: 08/19/2012 04:40 AM
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 08/19/2012 04:40 AM
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IIKNEZII
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So i'll buy new config (FOR GAMING) when I choose whihc CPU should I buy, this is how my config looks like:
-Rasurbo Vort-X 3.0
-Rasurbo Real Power 650w
-ASrock 970 E3
-Gigabyte 7870 3X WF
-Corsair 2x4 1600
-Seagate 2TB
-Crucial 64GB

SO I'm not sure if I should choose FX 4100, 4170, 6100 or 6200 ? (I don't plan to go on 8k because of my budget and it's not fully supportable by windows yet), so pls tell me choice. More clock speed or more cores???

 

 08/19/2012 05:31 AM
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That power supply is junk

 

 

  • Loose voltage regulation at +12V and 3.3V
  • Bad performance at Crossload tests
  • 5V and 3.3V rails failed in Advanced Transient Response tests
  • High ripple at +12V
  • Two year warranty
  • Power distribution is not optimal

Get a corsair PSU. Or something similar. Like seasonic, Enermax, zippy, PC power and cooling, XFX, Sapphire.
Drop the "FX anything" series and instead get a Phenom II. Like the 965/955 black editions. Or if you can still find one an 1100T.

 



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Edited: 08/19/2012 at 01:54 PM by Vantharas
 08/19/2012 06:54 AM
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Even a 1075T isn't that bad (if overclocked), 1100T is difficult to find nowdays.



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 08/19/2012 07:54 AM
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Check out the CPU benchmarks here: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/



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 08/19/2012 12:19 PM
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Clock speed > Core count in games. 4 higher clocked Phenom II cores > 8 lower clocked Bulldozer cores in games.

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 08/20/2012 06:25 AM
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thx for quick and good reply...
is it ok if i choose cors gs series (600w) since it's a bit cheaper than others? also, there's 965 black box ed. only available from phenom 2, so is it alright? do u think my config is good?

 08/20/2012 12:46 PM
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The thing about Corsair is that they are made by SeaSonic who have been making power supplies for 25 years, so they know what they're doing. As for the 965, I've not had any issues with mine, but I play at the more GPU limited resolution of 1920x1200 (as in my GPUs will peg out at 100% before the CPU will). I would suggest a 980 or 990 chipset motherboard since the 970 boards aren't really designed for overclocking.

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 08/20/2012 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by: IIKNEZII thx for quick and good reply... is it ok if i choose cors gs series (600w) since it's a bit cheaper than others? also, there's 965 black box ed. only available from phenom 2, so is it alright? do u think my config is good?

 

 

Corsair makes great power supplies. So yes they are fine. 



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 08/24/2012 01:50 AM
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As of now, not many games / applications use more than 4 cores. If you can, get a Phenom II X4 or X6 - best if it is a Black Edition (which allows easier overclocking).

If you can't find anymore, the FX-6100 isn't a bad choice.

At higher resolutions (1080p or more), the GPU becomes more dependant than the CPU.

[ Example: my two HD 5850's are holding me back from fully "maxing" out BF3, surprisingly, not the CPU ]

As black_zion pointed out, the 970 chipset boards are not meant for overclocking or multi-GPU setups. It would be best to "invest" a little more in a 990X or 990FX chipset board.

 The GS series PSU's from Corsair is fine as well.



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 08/30/2012 11:09 AM
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the most important question is

How much is your budget?

even the Top end CPU FX-8150 is only $200 with 8 real cores, unlike the fake cores from the i7 CPUs, which still only sits at 6 real cores

for gaming none of that really matters, as the importance of a gaming rig falls heavily on the video cards rather than the CPU

Any good video card will hit you hard, at least budget around $500 just for 1 card, if you want crossfire or SLI then double it

which brings into question, how much PSU watt you'll need, those things are rather expensive if you want the good quality ones

 

 

Originally posted by: IIKNEZII So i'll buy new config (FOR GAMING) when I choose whihc CPU should I buy, this is how my config looks like: -Rasurbo Vort-X 3.0 -Rasurbo Real Power 650w -ASrock 970 E3 -Gigabyte 7870 3X WF -Corsair 2x4 1600 -Seagate 2TB -Crucial 64GB SO I'm not sure if I should choose FX 4100, 4170, 6100 or 6200 ? (I don't plan to go on 8k because of my budget and it's not fully supportable by windows yet), so pls tell me choice. More clock speed or more cores???

 

 

 



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 08/30/2012 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by: AllGamer the most important question is

How much is your budget?

even the Top end CPU FX-8150 is only $200 with 8 real cores, unlike the fake cores from the i7 CPUs, which still only sits at 6 real cores

for gaming none of that really matters, as the importance of a gaming rig falls heavily on the video cards rather than the CPU

Any good video card will hit you hard, at least budget around $500 just for 1 card, if you want crossfire or SLI then double it

which brings into question, how much PSU watt you'll need, those things are rather expensive if you want the good quality ones

Let's be clear here, the FX series CPU, specifically the FX-8150 and FX-8120, state that they are 8 core CPU's but actually they are not.....they are 4-module CPU's. Each module contains two almost complete cores except in that each pair of cores shares a Floating-Point Unit (FPU). With the new patches to the Win 7 OS the OS actually sees 4 cores / 8 threads on these CPU's kind of like how the OS sees an Intel CPU that has Hyper-Threading Technology (HTT) [Symmetric MultiProcessing (SMP) or as Intel calls it, Simultaneous MultiThreading (SMT Technology)]. This is so that the OS uses AMD's scheduler more efficiently. 

To clarify further, hyper-threaded Intel CPU's don't claim their hyper-threaded cores as cores, they are technically called threads so a 4-core CPU that has HTT and is enabled in the BIOS/UEFI is a 4 core / 8 threaded CPU.

Also, the new FX CPU's IPC is weaker than its predecessor PII.  My 1090T at 4.6Ghz (6-core) would smoke a FX-8150 (4-core/8-thread) at the same clock speed in single as well as multi-threaded workloads.

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Piledriver is out soon (already is in Trinity), which gives a nice boost over Bulldozer (and STARS), and Steamroller has already been talked about earlier this week at HotChips, and AMD claims 15% improvement over Piledriver, so big improvements are on the way. As far as first generation architecture goes, which is the first time AMD put in truly new architecture since...K6...it's not a bad start, and Piledriver and Steamroller will boost that. The problem is that AMD doesn't have the resources of Intel so they had to have computers design the chips mostly and then refine it later by hand with Piledriver and Steamroller.

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 09/01/2012 05:04 PM
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I could definetly see AMD Doing 15% IPC improvments for CPU's over the next few generations. Just because of what Intel has done from Core to >I5 Ivybridge.

So I know the room for improvement is there. I just hope its acted on appropriately.

AMD did higher the guy back to help with CPU development. So. Here's to hopeing.



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