Topic Title: Intel switching to soldered-on CPU's for next generation?
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 11/27/2012 04:33 PM
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Doesn't sound like a big deal to me, as Intel changes sockets so frequently, unlike AMD, so there is no such thing as backwards compatibility, and in the prefab market the specially designed cheaper motherboards prevent upgrading in many cases.

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Yeah I read that also, a few days ago at a different site... At this point it's still just a rumor and may evaporate completely, as they often do.

Intel does seem committed to making super-tiny machines, and boards with soldered on chips aren't really anything new.  There are plenty of those around already... just not for desktop PCs.  Either way, I don't see Intel replacing it's entire product lineup with socket-less chips overnight.  It's going to be a gradual transition, if it happens at all.



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I don't either, because they'd have to convince the accountants over at HP, Dell, and the other OEMs that it would have no negative financial impact, and I can't see where it would do anything except elevate costs because of the extra step and cost of soldering the CPU to the motherboard, though I'm sure ASUS, Gigabyte, and the other mainboard manufacturers would love it if they found their chance of failure double because if one failed both had to be replaced. I know I need to start looking at upgrading mine, thinking maybe when DDR4 comes out, as getting my student loans paid off is my #1 priority right now, especially after spending $600 on 2 UPSs and that 512GB Vertex 4

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 11/28/2012 12:12 PM
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The manufacturer would need to x-ray every one of the boards they made, sometimes those bga processors don't solder on correctly, other times they do and due to rohs they grow wiskers between the cpu and the mainboard, eventually they short out and you're stuck with a dead board. PC Chips and ECS made several of these types of boards in the past.



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When I read the subject, I thought it was about Intel using lousy TIM with the IHS instead of fluxless solder on Ivy Bridge.

This seems like too boneheaded a move for Intel to actually make.  Only proprietary OEM builders would conceivably use the chips, and they wouldn't be particularly fond of having to mark their units as non-upgradable.

It would certainly work in AMD's favor.

 

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If it wasn't for Intel's "next generation" form factor, I'd probably write it off also.  That's the only way this makes any sense at all.



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Here it is.....maybe.

http://benchmark3d.com/intels-mobile-haswell-chips-available-in-april-2013



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Reviving the topic to add This article from TomsHardware

The CPUs that would have the BGA socket are the Core i7 4770R, Core i5 4670R, and the Core i5 4570R.


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